John-
Yeah, that sucks. The only answer to that is to write articles that are
relatively "timeless", so that they can be used in a future issue. But I
agree that if people submit articles that aren't used, they will quit
writing them. We should apologize to authors whose articles are not used,
and promise them that their work will be used in the NEXT issue! (my
opinion)
As far as placing The Boiler in homebrew shops - I agree! When shopping at
Midwest (my local homebrew shop), many is the new homebrewer I told about
our club, and Midwest was always able to give them a copy of our newsletter
to reinforce the message. I think we should continue that practice.
- Al
"John Longballa"
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Sounds great! I don't think that anyone proposed cutting off members who
would prefer to receive a hard copy, or eliminating hard copies of the
Boiler. My thought was to send out copies to anyone who wanted/needed one,
and save the costs on those members who opted to receive the newsletter
electronically. The hard copies ARE great for inspiring new memberships,
which is why I was placing them in all the homebrew shops.
As long as most articles will make it in, I think you'll have good
response.
I had articles that I wrote that were not printed because of space
limitations (?), and that can be frustrating, considering that everyone
always complains that there's never any member writings to print! I was
writing up descriptions of the meetings, but sometimes they would not be
printed. Oh, well.
John
>From: allan.boyce(a)usbank.com
>To: mba(a)thebarn.com
>Subject: Re: Newsletter
>Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:22:47 -0500
>
>
>
>I read all the email on TheBarn, and I peruse the website pretty
regularly,
>but I still like getting my hard copy of The Boiler. I also know that we
>have some members that are NOT internet connected, and for them, The
Boiler
>is really the only tangible evidence that we have a club at all! I spoke
>with a couple of new members on the I Love Beer Tour this past weekend,
and
>they were internet connected, on TheBarn list, knew where the web page
was,
>and were STILL upset that they have not been informed of club events via a
>newsletter since they joined last November. A newsletter is "proof" that
>they were informed.
>
>The copies of The Boiler that I have received have been great. But I
>propose that if there are no articles to publish, then we should just
print
>a one or two page Boiler ON SCHEDULE that has whatever article(s) that we
>have, plus a listing of upcoming events.
>
>If some members voluntarily agree to get their Boiler online, whether via
a
>PDF file in their email or on the website, then that reduces cost for the
>club. But I think everyone should make that choice for themselves.
>
>The old saying goes, "If you're not part of the solution, then you're part
>of the problem." Today I volunteered to write two articles for the next
>issue. (OK, so I'm an overachiever! ;-D) But if everyone who has posted
>an opinion on The Boiler takes time to write ONE article a year, we'll
have
>no end of content with which to fill it. Consider it a challenge!
>
>Print it, and they will come....
>
>my 2 cents...
>
>- Al
>
>
>
> "John Longballa"
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> il.com> cc:
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Will:
>Those are some great ideas. As the former secretary of the MN
Homebrewers,
>
>I distributed the Boiler and thought about those same cost-saving
measures;
>
>at a board meeting, I made the very same suggestions that you just made,
>but
>for reasons that I do not remember, the decision was made to continue with
>the traditional distribution method. Perhaps the current board could
>revisit these ideas. The Boiler was costing approximately $125 per issue
>for printing and mailing costs, just as a point of reference. I would
>print
>about 150 copies, send 50 to members, send 40 to breweries, brewpubs,
>beverage distributors, and homebrew shops that supported MNHBA, and place
>the remainder in the Twin Cities' homebrew shops for MNHBA promotion.
>John
>
>Will wrote:
> >2 cost savings ideas:
> >
> >1. Put the Newsletter on the web site (not sure if it
> >is there now)
> >2. Ditribute the newsletter via email instead of snail
> >mail
> >3. Give members the option of not receiving the
> >newsletter via snail mail if they would rather get via
> >option 1 or 2 above.
> >
> >I believe this would not only save postage $$ but also
> >printing expense.
> >
> >As to content, I believe that someone has to take the
> >lead and that you cannot rely on member contributions.
> >
> >It may be helpful to try coming up with an ideal
> >layout and then say: we need an article on wheat beer,
> >we need a an article on bottling methods, and an
> >article on new gadgetry or something like that. This
> >would make it easier for those who wish to provide
> >content. If someone is gung ho to write something on a
> >different topic, they would just need to clear it with
> >the editor.
> >
> >From the perspective of a writer, the hardest thing to
> >some up with sometimes is a topic. So an open ended
> >request such as: we need content can make it more
> >difficult.
> >
> >My $0.02 worth
> >
> >Cheers
> >WH
> >--- Dave Cox <north-shore-brewer(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Greetings!
> > >
> > > I am sure that some of you have wondered when the
> > > next issue of our
> > > newsletter, The Boiler, will be published. I have
> > > heard a certain amount of
> > > discussion about this subject, including whether we
> > > should even publish a
> > > newsletter.
> > >
> > > Some people have made the argument that in view of
> > > our limited budget, and
> > > the fact that a newsletter is expensive to produce
> > > and mail, this is
> > > something that could be eliminated. It has also
> > > been suggested that the
> > > fact that people are not submitting articles
> > > reflects a lack of interest in
> > > the publication. Maybe these things are true.
> > >
> > > I agree that the e-mail list is effective for those
> > > members who have access.
> > > But it does not serve all of our members, and it is
> > > not as effective as a
> > > means of attracting new members.
> > >
> > > I would like to see The Boiler continue. I believe
> > > that it is important not
> > > only for current members, but as a means of letting
> > > potential new members
> > > know what this group is about. It lends credibility
> > > to the organization and
> > > lets others know what we have been doing.
> > >
> > > But here is the catch. If we are to continue to
> > > produce the newsletter, we
> > > need input from YOU. Rick and I could fill up the
> > > space with our own
> > > musings and clever observations, but that wouldn't
> > > do much to increase the
> > > circulation. The thing that makes a newsletter
> > > interesting is variety. Just
> > > as the variety of interests and experience of the
> > > members make MHBA
> > > interesting, the newsletter needs input from a
> > > variety of sources.
> > >
> > > Submissions can range from technical topics to
> > > equipment to beer styles to
> > > events to anything you think other members would
> > > find informative and
> > > interesting.
> > >
> > > Your newsletter editor Gloria does a great job, and
> > > she is waiting for your
> > > articles. If you want to see the project continue,
> > > send her your
> > > submissions now.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Will:
Those are some great ideas. As the former secretary of the MN Homebrewers,
I distributed the Boiler and thought about those same cost-saving measures;
at a board meeting, I made the very same suggestions that you just made, but
for reasons that I do not remember, the decision was made to continue with
the traditional distribution method. Perhaps the current board could
revisit these ideas. The Boiler was costing approximately $125 per issue
for printing and mailing costs, just as a point of reference. I would print
about 150 copies, send 50 to members, send 40 to breweries, brewpubs,
beverage distributors, and homebrew shops that supported MNHBA, and place
the remainder in the Twin Cities' homebrew shops for MNHBA promotion.
John
Will wrote:
>2 cost savings ideas:
>
>1. Put the Newsletter on the web site (not sure if it
>is there now)
>2. Ditribute the newsletter via email instead of snail
>mail
>3. Give members the option of not receiving the
>newsletter via snail mail if they would rather get via
>option 1 or 2 above.
>
>I believe this would not only save postage $$ but also
>printing expense.
>
>As to content, I believe that someone has to take the
>lead and that you cannot rely on member contributions.
>
>It may be helpful to try coming up with an ideal
>layout and then say: we need an article on wheat beer,
>we need a an article on bottling methods, and an
>article on new gadgetry or something like that. This
>would make it easier for those who wish to provide
>content. If someone is gung ho to write something on a
>different topic, they would just need to clear it with
>the editor.
>
>From the perspective of a writer, the hardest thing to
>some up with sometimes is a topic. So an open ended
>request such as: we need content can make it more
>difficult.
>
>My $0.02 worth
>
>Cheers
>WH
>--- Dave Cox <north-shore-brewer(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings!
> >
> > I am sure that some of you have wondered when the
> > next issue of our
> > newsletter, The Boiler, will be published. I have
> > heard a certain amount of
> > discussion about this subject, including whether we
> > should even publish a
> > newsletter.
> >
> > Some people have made the argument that in view of
> > our limited budget, and
> > the fact that a newsletter is expensive to produce
> > and mail, this is
> > something that could be eliminated. It has also
> > been suggested that the
> > fact that people are not submitting articles
> > reflects a lack of interest in
> > the publication. Maybe these things are true.
> >
> > I agree that the e-mail list is effective for those
> > members who have access.
> > But it does not serve all of our members, and it is
> > not as effective as a
> > means of attracting new members.
> >
> > I would like to see The Boiler continue. I believe
> > that it is important not
> > only for current members, but as a means of letting
> > potential new members
> > know what this group is about. It lends credibility
> > to the organization and
> > lets others know what we have been doing.
> >
> > But here is the catch. If we are to continue to
> > produce the newsletter, we
> > need input from YOU. Rick and I could fill up the
> > space with our own
> > musings and clever observations, but that wouldn't
> > do much to increase the
> > circulation. The thing that makes a newsletter
> > interesting is variety. Just
> > as the variety of interests and experience of the
> > members make MHBA
> > interesting, the newsletter needs input from a
> > variety of sources.
> >
> > Submissions can range from technical topics to
> > equipment to beer styles to
> > events to anything you think other members would
> > find informative and
> > interesting.
> >
> > Your newsletter editor Gloria does a great job, and
> > she is waiting for your
> > articles. If you want to see the project continue,
> > send her your
> > submissions now.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
>
>
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Thanks Dave for that call to order and thanks to all the e-readers
pondering the subject of contributing text and articles to the boiler.
How many of you knew this is volunteer week? Does the word volunteer
have a deep meaning to you or your parents?
The only difference between a personal thought and a shared idea is a
piece of paper, a pencil and a few minutes of your time. We all think
about writing interesting and humorous articles but just need to
volunteer to put aside a little time for this task.
Anything (ok anything decent) can and will be published. Information
about your gadget, favorite beer, favorite brewery, or favorite gripe or
concern. How about that Yahoo stuff that some of us can't seem to
navigate? We welcome controversy along with humor. Heck, we could
possibly even sell stuff but......... it is beyond my area of expertise
to write the complete paper. The cost of publication and distribution
is close to $200 per edition.
One way or the other, let us know if you want a paper and what you are
willing to contribute. No responses from the membership sends a strong
"not needed" message to myself and Dave.
So there you have it live and direct from page two. We await your
response(s).
Rick Oftel
MHBA
Greetings!
I am sure that some of you have wondered when the next issue of our
newsletter, The Boiler, will be published. I have heard a certain amount of
discussion about this subject, including whether we should even publish a
newsletter.
Some people have made the argument that in view of our limited budget, and
the fact that a newsletter is expensive to produce and mail, this is
something that could be eliminated. It has also been suggested that the
fact that people are not submitting articles reflects a lack of interest in
the publication. Maybe these things are true.
I agree that the e-mail list is effective for those members who have access.
But it does not serve all of our members, and it is not as effective as a
means of attracting new members.
I would like to see The Boiler continue. I believe that it is important not
only for current members, but as a means of letting potential new members
know what this group is about. It lends credibility to the organization and
lets others know what we have been doing.
But here is the catch. If we are to continue to produce the newsletter, we
need input from YOU. Rick and I could fill up the space with our own
musings and clever observations, but that wouldn't do much to increase the
circulation. The thing that makes a newsletter interesting is variety. Just
as the variety of interests and experience of the members make MHBA
interesting, the newsletter needs input from a variety of sources.
Submissions can range from technical topics to equipment to beer styles to
events to anything you think other members would find informative and
interesting.
Your newsletter editor Gloria does a great job, and she is waiting for your
articles. If you want to see the project continue, send her your
submissions now.
Dave
Just a quick note of thanks to all the homebrewers that made it to the Hot
Luck Dinner There was a lot of great food enjoyed by all. Collected 148.00
for sharing and caring hands
Thank you Gary
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Paul, Great idea but...... Every brew pub that advertizes this thing
always runs out before I arrive. Must be a fate thing.
I would gladly donate my 10 or 15 gallons worth. Possibly some of the
"big kettle guys" could toss in even more.
Now the next logical questions is where does it sit and how long does
it need to sit still?
Thanks
Rick O
>>> <Paul_Dienhart(a)cargill.com> 04/25/03 10:42AM >>>
A posting on the Northern Brewer site highlighted the Denver club's
efforts on whiskey barrel conditioning as a club project. Members
brew
the same recipe and fill a 55-gallon cask for conditioning. Each
brewer
chipped in $15 to purchase the $150 cask. They're brewing a
barleywine
and an Imperial stout.
http://forum.northernbrewer.com/viewtopic.php?t=6156
Does this have any appeal to MHB members? If people are interested,
I'd
be willing to explore the price and logistics of getting a whiskey
barrel. A feature on barrel conditioning is in the current issue of
BYO.
Paul
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chipped in $15 to purchase the $150 cask. They're brewing a barleywine
and an Imperial stout.
http://forum.northernbrewer.com/viewtopic.php?t=6156
Does this have any appeal to MHB members? If people are interested, I'd
be willing to explore the price and logistics of getting a whiskey
barrel. A feature on barrel conditioning is in the current issue of
BYO.
Paul
Hi Rick et. al.,
Teflon-coated magnetic stir bars. Want one?? I think BME lab supply company located on University (just east of Hwy 280) would have them in stock. For a 2L flask, get one about 1 1/2 - 2" long.
Stir at slow speed to keep yeast suspended during initial starter culture growth (first 12 - 18 hours). Once high krausen is reached, no need for stirring...the culture is plenty active on its own! :)
Can you boil a wort starter on the mag. stirrer/hotplate surface? Sure! Go for it!! I'm assuming you have a Pyrex-type glass flask. If the surface can get up to temp... use it! Boil the starter as you usually do, PUT THE STIR BAR IN WITH THE WORT SOLUTION NOW. DONT USE STIRRING FEATURE YET. Use only the heater control dial and heat the wort to boiling. Watch the heat a bit....once it hits a rolling boil you may need to back off on the heater control a bit. Depends on how well the stirrer/hotplate heater unit is working.... After the boil shut the hotplate off, cool your starter.... inoculate as usual. When the surface of the stirrer/hotplate has cooled....this can take awhile, but you can "help" the cooling with a damp, cool rag and wipe the surface.... put the starter culture flask on the surface and turn on the stirring feature. Start pretty slow and increase slowly, there is usually quite a lag between turning the dial and actual increase in RPM's of the stir bar.
That's it....
Cheers and happy fermenting, Rick!
Steve
>Greetings beer fans and members. Rick here with a question about
>magnetic stirrers. I picked up (hasn't arrived yet) what appears to be
>a decent used unit on an E-bay auction and need some advise about
>operation and appropriate stirring devices. The device is a 9 inch Cole
>Palmer with a heating style top. I have a 2 liter Erlenmeyer flask and
>hope to supercharge my next yeast colony. What type of stirring device
>do I need? Where do I get one? Should I have some spares? How long or
>fast do I stir the mixture? Is the top heating surface appropriate for
>boiling a flask of wort?
>
>Thanks
>
>Rick Oftel
>
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