go check the bill status off of your first link to the bill text
The actual wording of the bill passed under HF0058 does read 7 gallons (not
4 gal)
also, the section about no one possessing an unmarked keg was removed
> ----------
> From: Ryan Sinn[SMTP:ryan@wizardtechnologies.net]
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 2:08 PM
> To: mba(a)thebarn.com
> Subject: Re: Beer keg registration signed into law
>
> not to mock MADD or anything, but according to their website Keg
> Registration reduces/prevents Date Rape, STDS and Unplanned Pregnancies...
>
>
> http://www.maddmn.org/keg.html
>
> ** WE SHOULD HAVE IMPLEMENTED THIS YEARS AGO!! **
>
> Seriously though... here's the actual bill text...
> http://www.senate.leg.state.mn.us/departments/scr/billsumm/SF389.HTM
> http://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/cgi-bin/getbill.pl?number=SF0389&sessio
> n=ls82&version=latest&session_number=0&session_year=2001
>
> What bothers me is Sec. 1 Subd. 1(a):
>
> "Beer keg" means any brewery-sealed single container
> that contains not less than four gallons of malt liquor.
>
> Now they're talking 4gal not 7gal... the bill summary states 7gal, but the
> actual bill text states 4gal... what's up with that? The only bill text I
> could find is from Jan25th 2001, so maybe they've revised it... but the
> bill text should have been updated.
>
> The other thing that bothers me is Sec. 1 Subd. 6(c):
>
> No person other than a wholesaler or retailer licensed
> or authorized under this chapter to sell malt liquor may possess
> a beer keg which does not bear the identification required under
> subdivision 3.
>
> Just my two cents... Time to call my reps again... or maybe it's time to
> run?
>
>
>
> Ryan
>
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 11:55:24AM -0800, LJ Vitt wrote:
> > As far as the last campout:
> > Lindemans was what ever the europe uses as quarter barrels. (25l?)
> > That may have been the smallest key the law covers.
> > Celebrator was european half barrel (50l?)
> >
> > Ron and Wayne had pins - under 6 gallons.
> > Ray had an 8 gallon Hoff Stevens keg.
> >
> > There were numerous 5 gallon cornies.
> >
> > That sounds like 3 soon to be illegal containers and the interclub
> campout.
> >
> > -----------
> >
> > On the more serious side --
> >
> > What does this mean for festivals like Autumn Brew Review?
> > Does Pioneer brewing in Wisconsin have to register their kegs
> > to come to Minnesota and pour beer at the festival?
> >
> > To transport beer to the Great Taste of Midwest, do Minn
> > brewpubs have to register their kegs?
> >
> > The loop hole might be - Kegs SOLD must be registered.
> >
> > - Leo
> >
> > --- Steve Piatz <piatz(a)cray.com> wrote:
> > > I really needed another mother to help keep track of what I do :-)
> > >
> > > Seriously, what happens with the various containers I have that
> > > are 7 gallons or larger that just happen to be usable as
> > > homebrew serving containers. I have one half barrel and two
> > > quarter barrels plus a couple of 10 gallon cornies that aren't
> > > registered and never will be - wonder what the penaly is? I
> > > even have more than a few carboys that are 7 gallons or
> > > larger.
> > >
> > > I can just see the law enforcement folks checking the kegs'
> > > registration at next summer's multiclub campout. I know those
> > > kegs of Lindemanns and Celebrator at last summer's event were
> > > over 7 gallons. Not sure about everyting on the beer engines,
> > > most everything else was in 5 gallon cornies. I suppose the
> > > law will help the sales of those 5 gallon sankey type cornies
> > > since they are small enough to avoid registration :-)
> > >
> > > We have a lot of stupid people around here that provide kegs
> > > for their (underage) kids' parties but do we have to compensate
> > > with stupid laws?
> > >
> > >
> > > Where is our growler bill?
> > >
> > >
> > > Betsy Kremser writes:
> > > >
> > > > Star Tribune
> > > >
> > > > Beer keg registration signed into law
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Published Mar 15, 2002
> > > >
> > > > Beginning in August, all beer kegs sold in
> > > > Minnesota must be registered by liquor
> > > > stores in a new effort to keep alcohol away
> > > > from minors.
> > > >
> > > > Gov. Jesse Ventura signed a bill Wednesday
> > > > Wednesday enacting the requirement, which
> > > > had been sought for years by Mothers
> > > > Against Drunk Driving and anti-youth-drinking
> > > > groups but blocked until recently by liquor
> > > > industry opposition.
> > > >
> > > > The law will require liquor stores to file the
> > > > names and signatures of buyers of 7-gallon
> > > > and larger beer kegs and label them with
> > > > registration numbers, the retailer's name,
> > > > address and telephone number and the date
> > > > and time of purchase.
> > > >
> > > > Police say they often break up "kegger"
> > > > parties of underage drinkers but cannot
> > > > trace who provided the beer. Keg tags will
> > > > discourage adults from the most common
> > > > means of furnishing alcohol to minors,
> > > > proponents say.
> > > >
> > > > The bill, sponsored by Rep. Steve Dehler,
> > > > R-St. Joseph, was approved 114 to 20 by
> > > > the House last year and 60 to 0 by the
> > > > Senate last Friday.
> > > >
> > > > -- Conrad deFiebre
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Steve Piatz piatz(a)cray.com
> > > Cray Inc. 651-605-9049
> > > 1340 Mendota Heights Road
> > > Mendota Heights, MN 55120
> >
> >
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I really needed another mother to help keep track of what I do :-)
Seriously, what happens with the various containers I have that
are 7 gallons or larger that just happen to be usable as
homebrew serving containers. I have one half barrel and two
quarter barrels plus a couple of 10 gallon cornies that aren't
registered and never will be - wonder what the penaly is? I
even have more than a few carboys that are 7 gallons or
larger.
I can just see the law enforcement folks checking the kegs'
registration at next summer's multiclub campout. I know those
kegs of Lindemanns and Celebrator at last summer's event were
over 7 gallons. Not sure about everyting on the beer engines,
most everything else was in 5 gallon cornies. I suppose the
law will help the sales of those 5 gallon sankey type cornies
since they are small enough to avoid registration :-)
We have a lot of stupid people around here that provide kegs
for their (underage) kids' parties but do we have to compensate
with stupid laws?
Where is our growler bill?
Betsy Kremser writes:
>
> Star Tribune
>
> Beer keg registration signed into law
>
>
> Published Mar 15, 2002
>
> Beginning in August, all beer kegs sold in
> Minnesota must be registered by liquor
> stores in a new effort to keep alcohol away
> from minors.
>
> Gov. Jesse Ventura signed a bill Wednesday
> Wednesday enacting the requirement, which
> had been sought for years by Mothers
> Against Drunk Driving and anti-youth-drinking
> groups but blocked until recently by liquor
> industry opposition.
>
> The law will require liquor stores to file the
> names and signatures of buyers of 7-gallon
> and larger beer kegs and label them with
> registration numbers, the retailer's name,
> address and telephone number and the date
> and time of purchase.
>
> Police say they often break up "kegger"
> parties of underage drinkers but cannot
> trace who provided the beer. Keg tags will
> discourage adults from the most common
> means of furnishing alcohol to minors,
> proponents say.
>
> The bill, sponsored by Rep. Steve Dehler,
> R-St. Joseph, was approved 114 to 20 by
> the House last year and 60 to 0 by the
> Senate last Friday.
>
> -- Conrad deFiebre
>
--
Steve Piatz piatz(a)cray.com
Cray Inc. 651-605-9049
1340 Mendota Heights Road
Mendota Heights, MN 55120
I think Wayne meant to send this to the whole list, not just me.
>Delivered-To: mpv(a)yuck.net
>Reply-To: "Wayne Theuer" <waynet(a)ll.net>
>From: "Wayne Theuer" <waynet(a)ll.net>
>To: "Michael Valentiner" <mpv(a)yuck.net>
>Subject: Re: dry hopping: how long is too long?
>Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:05:26 -0800
>X-Priority: 3
>X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 required=6 tests=SUBJ_ENDS_IN_Q_MARK version=2.0
>
>Hi Men,
>From my experience grassiness will be evident with leaf hops or plugs. It
>will subside with time but it will happen. The older the hop, the worse it
>gets. I now dry-hop with pellets and have much better results. I like to use
>a hopback with leaf hops for the best results. I've found that dry-hopping
>is not needed with the hopback. If you made it to the multi-club campout,
>the cask IPA I made was dry-hopped for 2 months. I hope this helps.
>Wayne
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Michael Valentiner" <mpv(a)yuck.net>
>To: "Steve Fletty" <fletty(a)tc.umn.edu>; <mba(a)thebarn.com>
>Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 8:33 AM
>Subject: Re: dry hopping: how long is too long?
>
>
>> Steve,
>>
>> You'll be ok for another week. Dry hopping typical kicks off a
>> second fermentation and you want to let that run its course.
>> Grassiness can be an issue, but I never had a problem due to
>> duration. I no longer dry hop, but I did have grassiness problem
>> once due to dry hopping with the wrong hops (one of those
>> super-alpha, Cascade-like American varieties).
>>
>> >I've got an IPA with 1 oz of Kent Goldings in the 2ndry. I've had
>> >the Goldings in there for 2 weeks now. I was going to bottle
>> >before heading out of town for a week, but the yeast deciced
>> >to wake up and the beer is fermenting again slowly. The basement is
>> >a bit cool and the beer did finish a few points high.
>> >
>> >So, I'm wondering, if I don't bottle 'til I get back, is 3-4 weeks
>> >too long to dry hop?
>> >
>> >I've heard some people say dry hopping too long will lead to grassy
>> >flavors, but I've heard other people say it isn't an issue.
>> >
>> >--
>> >Steve
>> >fletty(a)umn.edu
>>
>> --
>>
>> Michael Valentiner, Minneapolis, Minnesota
>> mpv(a)yuck.net
--
Michael Valentiner, Minneapolis, Minnesota
mpv(a)yuck.net
I have experienced good results from dry hopping with pellets in the
secondary as well.
Question:
I once purchased some kegs and while cleaning them found that one contained
a small amount of beer along with a nylon bag containing hop leaves. Is dry
hopping in the keg in this manner effective? Does anyone know of pros/cons
for this method?
Bob Carter
Michael
Valentiner To: mba(a)thebarn.com
<mpv(a)yuck.ne cc:
t> Subject: Fwd: Re: dry hopping: how long is too long?
Sent by:
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03/15/02
12:10 PM
I think Wayne meant to send this to the whole list, not just me.
>Delivered-To: mpv(a)yuck.net
>Reply-To: "Wayne Theuer" <waynet(a)ll.net>
>From: "Wayne Theuer" <waynet(a)ll.net>
>To: "Michael Valentiner" <mpv(a)yuck.net>
>Subject: Re: dry hopping: how long is too long?
>Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:05:26 -0800
>X-Priority: 3
>X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 required=6 tests=SUBJ_ENDS_IN_Q_MARK version=2.0
>
>Hi Men,
>From my experience grassiness will be evident with leaf hops or plugs. It
>will subside with time but it will happen. The older the hop, the worse it
>gets. I now dry-hop with pellets and have much better results. I like to
use
>a hopback with leaf hops for the best results. I've found that dry-hopping
>is not needed with the hopback. If you made it to the multi-club campout,
>the cask IPA I made was dry-hopped for 2 months. I hope this helps.
>Wayne
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Michael Valentiner" <mpv(a)yuck.net>
>To: "Steve Fletty" <fletty(a)tc.umn.edu>; <mba(a)thebarn.com>
>Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 8:33 AM
>Subject: Re: dry hopping: how long is too long?
>
>
>> Steve,
>>
>> You'll be ok for another week. Dry hopping typical kicks off a
>> second fermentation and you want to let that run its course.
>> Grassiness can be an issue, but I never had a problem due to
>> duration. I no longer dry hop, but I did have grassiness problem
>> once due to dry hopping with the wrong hops (one of those
>> super-alpha, Cascade-like American varieties).
>>
>> >I've got an IPA with 1 oz of Kent Goldings in the 2ndry. I've had
>> >the Goldings in there for 2 weeks now. I was going to bottle
>> >before heading out of town for a week, but the yeast deciced
>> >to wake up and the beer is fermenting again slowly. The basement is
>> >a bit cool and the beer did finish a few points high.
>> >
>> >So, I'm wondering, if I don't bottle 'til I get back, is 3-4 weeks
>> >too long to dry hop?
>> >
>> >I've heard some people say dry hopping too long will lead to grassy
>> >flavors, but I've heard other people say it isn't an issue.
>> >
>> >--
>> >Steve
>> >fletty(a)umn.edu
>>
>> --
>>
>> Michael Valentiner, Minneapolis, Minnesota
>> mpv(a)yuck.net
--
Michael Valentiner, Minneapolis, Minnesota
mpv(a)yuck.net
Greetings all-
As Will indicated, the next Westside meeting will take place at Water
Tower on March 20 at 7PM. The Westside craft-brewers will be there to
answer questions (if we can) and talk about brewing. We come from vastly
different backgrounds, so here's some short bios.
Damian McConn-
Our lad from Ireland, Damian is a graduate of the 4-year Brewing and
Distilling program at Herriott Watt. Prior to working at Sherlock's,
Damian was employed by Guinness.
Bob DuVernois-
Bob has done everything, from fly-tying to bartending to carpentry and
finally to brewing. Bob was the assistant brewer at Minneapolis Town
Hall before becoming the assistant at Hops. Following Bob Haa's
departure from Minnesota, Mr Duvernois has taken over brewing duties at
both Hops locations.
David Berg-
Graduate of Iowa State University with a Bachelors in Aerospace
Engineering, and the American Brewer's Guild with a Diploma in the
Intensive Craft-Brewing and Engineering. I've been at Water Tower since
equipment installation.
Think up some good questions for us--we will learn as much as you do. We
pretty much have the range of fermentation vessels down--Bob uses closed,
Damian uses open with lids, and I have open without lids.
David Berg
President, Minnesota Craft Brewer's Guild
Head Brewer, Water Tower Brewing Company
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This is Corey from All Saint's I unfortunately have some bad news
regarding the beer dinner at Barbette Monday the 18th. Larry will not be
coming to town until Thursday the 21rst. Therefore the beer dinner is
cancled. Larry will be at Bryant Lake Bowl that Thursday night so if you
would like to meet him come down to the Bowl around 7:00 and we should
be there. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Corey Shovein
P.S. Please do not respond to this e-mail listing it is not mine.
I've got an IPA with 1 oz of Kent Goldings in the 2ndry. I've had
the Goldings in there for 2 weeks now. I was going to bottle
before heading out of town for a week, but the yeast deciced
to wake up and the beer is fermenting again slowly. The basement is
a bit cool and the beer did finish a few points high.
So, I'm wondering, if I don't bottle 'til I get back, is 3-4 weeks
too long to dry hop?
I've heard some people say dry hopping too long will lead to grassy
flavors, but I've heard other people say it isn't an issue.
--
Steve
fletty(a)umn.edu
Does anyone know what the about the availability of Seven Sisters Cider? I
like their pear cider but have not been able to find it lately. I was at
Surdyks and Liquor Depot last weekend and did not see it.
Bob Carter
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