>Failure is inevitable if you don't understand your customer.
Isn't that what I stated? Sorry Mike, but you and your entire organization did not drink 22,000 gallons of beer each year at the Water Tower. People that love super hoppy IPAs or super funky Belgians are a minority.
It's easy to sit on the sidelines and analyze/criticize, but some of us depend on this as our livelyhood. I gave up a lot to be a brewer and do what I love--making whatever beer I make the best that it can be. And if the country loving music wannabe singers have the money to buy a beer, I'll sell it to them. It's just that easy.
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Contributions to the Minnesota brewing thread [Minnesota subject line]
and it's off-shoots like "Some more thoughts" etc., have been great
contributions to this list. It is much appreciated.
--
John Reese
One OS to forge the codes,/ The same OS to hide them;
Again the same to rule them all,/ And in the Darkness bind them.
-- Steve Ballmer
Wow, a couple of places close and I end up with a million emails. I
don't know all the answers, but here are my thoughts on all that has
happened in the past year:
First and foremost, brewing is a commercial endeavor. This is very
important for everyone to understand. What I mean by this is those of
you on these lists are a very small percentage of the population of
Minnesota. Even if all of you went to one of the pubs every day, it is
not enough business to keep it open. Not one of them. So I understand
when you say that the beer here or there (let's take Water Tower for
example) is not that inventive, keep in mind that you are the minority.
I should have put that in capital letters, but I'm sure you get the
drift.
At my time at WT, I brewed a Rauch beer, Barleywine, and a handful of
other memorable beers. Guess what? It doesn't pay the rent. Hey, Old
LS made it to the second round of GABF. That put's it in the top 10 or
12 barleywines in the country. Am I proud? Yes, but does that sign my
paycheck---nope. We brewed 425 10 Bbl batches in six years---that's an
average of 700 Bbls a year. That's a lot of beer. Was it enough?
Probably, if I would have wanted to stay. But I didn't like the
direction we were going, so I resigned. I've quit better jobs, so it
should not be that big of a surprise. They couldn't (or didn't want) to
find some stupid enough to take my place, so the brewery is closed.
Hey, there was a brewery in Fargo that had one of the most talented
brewers I know that went out of business. I know it wasn't because of
the beer, but rather because of the market. John Haggerty and I used to
laugh that if we lived in Washington or Oregon, we'd be rich. It's
really not that funny, but kind of sad.
So what is the answer? I don't know. If I did, I would be rich. In my
six years back in Minnesota, I haven't seen the market change that much.
That is discouraging. So when an owner has invested $1M or so in a
brewpub, and wants to have karoake (which actually has another story
involved), who am I to argue. After all, I am just a brewer. If I have
to brew lighter beers to keep the lights on and to make sure I can make
rent, I will. That's my job. But I'll always try to slip something in
under the radar. Hence the reason for Brewer's Specials.
So next time you visit a brewpub anywhere, consider this: are the beers
well made? That is the job of the brewer. That and to make the owner
some money and to be able to pay his own bills.
David Berg
President, Minnesota Craft Brewer's Guild
Head Brewer, Bandana Brewery
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In theory St Cloud is WestSide I guess, Just very
North and West.
Barley John's has an outstanding "Porter". It is a 10%
Porter finished off in a Bourbon Keg. It reminded me
of Town Hall's Imperial Stout finished in a Bourbon
Cask. Although I think Barley John's Porter is a bit
more dry. Of all of the pubs in the area, I would
really like to see John succeed, he has worked so hard
to make a go of it. I haven't seen many pubs where the
brewer is also the cook! Of course, I wish success to
all of the local brewpubs, in particular in light of
the recent closings in the area.
Cheers
WH
--- Kirby Richter <KirbyR(a)magenic.com> wrote:
> Yeah, I wasnt serious about going all the way to St.
> Cloud but I guess just meeting at different brew
> pubs around the city would be great. I havent been
> to Barley Johns yet and need an excuse to go.
>
> Wont be able to make it on Dec 19, maybe nexttime.
>
> By the way I got two of your beers in the secondary
> right now. The Northern IPA and the Blueberry
> Porter. Cant wait till I can try some!
>
> Kirby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will Holway
> To: mba(a)thebarn.com
> Sent: 12/17/2002 9:13 AM
> Subject: RE: Minnesota
>
>
> Well, I'm glad you asked. The next WestSide meeting
> will be at the gravesite of Water Tower Brewing,
> next
> stop is up for grabs. A generous homebrewer who
> lives
> in the area (and HIS brewwery is still OPEN) has
> offered to host, or we could head to Sherlock's for
> a
> pint, or do both ...
>
> Anyhow, the date is Thursday, 12/19 7:00 pm. Then we
> can have some of Dave's remaining beer and discuss
> the
> next stop.
>
> As to Granite City, I'm a bit displeased with the
> proprietor at the moment, but anything is possible
> in
> the future I guess ...
>
> There was also some talk of trying to have a meeting
> at the former Brew Station in Shakopee (the name
> escapes me at the moment).
>
> Cheers
> WH
>
> --- Kirby Richter <KirbyR(a)magenic.com> wrote:
> > Its depressing! Some classic beers are going to
> the
> > grave.
> >
> > Anyways Will, when and where is the next westside
> > meeting?
> >
> > I guess you are running out of locations! Next
> > westside meeting at Granite City in St Cloud?
> >
> > Kirby
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Will Holway
> > To: Kirby Richter; 'mba(a)thebarn.com '
> > Sent: 12/16/2002 8:50 AM
> > Subject: RE: Minnesota
> >
> > One guess is that the bar is area is too small,
> and
> > that is probably where they make the best money?
> Or
> > Bill wants to put everything into his Granite City
> > brewpub chain and shipping wort across state
> borders
> > ...
> >
> > It is really discouraging to me, as a brewer and
> > consumer ...
> >
> >
> > --- Kirby Richter <KirbyR(a)magenic.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > What I cant understand is why Sherlocks is
> > closing?
> > >
> > >
> > > From a bar perspective they have some of the
> best
> > > beer in town and everytime
> > > I go there the bar is pretty packed.
> > >
> > > Maybe it was the restaurant part? I know
> everyone
> > > loves their fish and
> > > chips.
> > >
> > > I for one am going to sorely miss Sherlocks :(
> > >
> > > Kirby Richter
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John Reese
> > > To: mba(a)thebarn.com
> > > Sent: 12/14/2002 10:41 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Minnesota
> > >
> > >
> > > What's this about the brewing operation at
> > > Sherlock's closing down? I
> > > must have missed it. Can anyone fill me in or
> send
> > a
> > > link to a story?
> > > What about the restaurant?
> > >
> > > John Reese
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2002-12-12 at 10:33, Will Holway wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Having just returned from CA I can second
> that.
> > I
> > > > always try to support the local guys (both
> > > breweries
> > > > and brewpubs). And the beer here is very good.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- David H Berg <bergbrew(a)juno.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > As I sit here tonight, pondering the demise
> of
> > > yet
> > > > > another Minnesota
> > > > > brewery (let's see, that's Minn Brew, Water
> > > Tower,
> > > > > and now
> > > > > Sherlock's...not to mention one not too far
> > out
> > > on
> > > > > the horizon), I am
> > > > > depressed.
> > > > >
> > > > > I remember starting here, and hearing
> everyone
> > > speak
> > > > > of the Pacific
> > > > > Northwest. Well folks, I lived there for
> > three
> > > > > years, so you probably
> > > > > aren't going to tell me anything I didn't
> > > experience
> > > > > first-hand. I've
> > > > > said it before and I'll say it again---hands
> > > down, I
> > > > > would rather drink
> > > > > beer here in Minnesota. You may wish to
> argue
> > > with
> > > > > me, but it is the
> > > > > truth. I hear the ads for Summit, and
> > > appreciate
> > > > > them because their
> > > > > point is--imports are not better because
> they
> > > come
> > > > > from somewhere else.
> > > > > Don't miss an opportunity for great beer
> > because
> > > > > it's local. An odd
> > > > > statement, but it seems that is what is
> > > happening.
> > > > >
> > > > > Next time you're out, stop by one of the
> > > brewpubs.
> > > > > Or buy a six pack of
> > > > > Summit, St Croix, Page, Superior, Gluek,
> > > Schell's,
> > > > > Mantorville. Because
> > > > > it will truly be a sad day when locally made
> > > beer is
> > > > > brewed in Missouri,
> > > > > or Oregon, or California....
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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Forms and info are up at the Kansas City Bier Meisters web site for the KCBM
competition in February.
The KCBM competition is the first leg for the High Plains Brewer of the Year
2003, of which our spring competition, the Upper Mississippi Mash-Out, is
the thrid leg. Brewers earn points for a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd place and the
brewer accumulating the most points over the course of the five competitions
will get the High Plains plaque. There are also competitions in Iowa, Okalhoma
and the Fargo competition in the circuit.
So, head over to http://www.kcbiermeisters.org/ and check it.
We've got plenty of good brewers in the Twin Cities. Let's see if we
can bring home the prize.
--
Steve
Big Beer/Jazz fans,
We now have tickets for the 2nd annual Winterfest!
Join in the fun Saturday, February 8 from 6-9pm on the upper level of the historic Hamm building (426 St. Peter Street, St.Paul).
Taste the creations from the premier brewries of Minnesota (I believe we have 15 this year), while listening to the live jazz sounds of "Chill 7". This unique evening will be limited to the first 250 people that buy tickets.($20) Remember we sold out fast last year. We look forward to your continued support and to the growth of MINNESOTA MADE BEER.
The name of the establishment is Harwell's Steakhouse and Brewery. It is
located in a shopping center in the northwest corner of the intersection of
Highway 169 and County Road 17 in Shakopee. Jonathan Crist (a very nice
person) is the brewer.
I have a problem with Granite City in St. Cloud, in that the only time I was
in there, each and every beer was poorly made. Go to O'Hara's, located less
than a mile from Granite City. The beer and atmosphere are much better at
O'Hara's.
I will miss Sherlock's Home greatly. The beer, food, and ambiance were
always top-notch. Thanks, Damian.
John Longballa
English teacher and brewer
>From: Will Holway <brew987(a)yahoo.com>
>To: mba(a)thebarn.com
>Subject: RE: Minnesota
>Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:13:40 -0800 (PST)
>
>
>Well, I'm glad you asked. The next WestSide meeting
>will be at the gravesite of Water Tower Brewing, next
>stop is up for grabs. A generous homebrewer who lives
>in the area (and HIS brewwery is still OPEN) has
>offered to host, or we could head to Sherlock's for a
>pint, or do both ...
>
>Anyhow, the date is Thursday, 12/19 7:00 pm. Then we
>can have some of Dave's remaining beer and discuss the
>next stop.
>
>As to Granite City, I'm a bit displeased with the
>proprietor at the moment, but anything is possible in
>the future I guess ...
>
>There was also some talk of trying to have a meeting
>at the former Brew Station in Shakopee (the name
>escapes me at the moment).
>
>Cheers
>WH
>
>--- Kirby Richter <KirbyR(a)magenic.com> wrote:
> > Its depressing! Some classic beers are going to the
> > grave.
> >
> > Anyways Will, when and where is the next westside
> > meeting?
> >
> > I guess you are running out of locations! Next
> > westside meeting at Granite City in St Cloud?
> >
> > Kirby
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Will Holway
> > To: Kirby Richter; 'mba(a)thebarn.com '
> > Sent: 12/16/2002 8:50 AM
> > Subject: RE: Minnesota
> >
> > One guess is that the bar is area is too small, and
> > that is probably where they make the best money? Or
> > Bill wants to put everything into his Granite City
> > brewpub chain and shipping wort across state borders
> > ...
> >
> > It is really discouraging to me, as a brewer and
> > consumer ...
> >
> >
> > --- Kirby Richter <KirbyR(a)magenic.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > What I cant understand is why Sherlocks is
> > closing?
> > >
> > >
> > > From a bar perspective they have some of the best
> > > beer in town and everytime
> > > I go there the bar is pretty packed.
> > >
> > > Maybe it was the restaurant part? I know everyone
> > > loves their fish and
> > > chips.
> > >
> > > I for one am going to sorely miss Sherlocks :(
> > >
> > > Kirby Richter
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John Reese
> > > To: mba(a)thebarn.com
> > > Sent: 12/14/2002 10:41 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Minnesota
> > >
> > >
> > > What's this about the brewing operation at
> > > Sherlock's closing down? I
> > > must have missed it. Can anyone fill me in or send
> > a
> > > link to a story?
> > > What about the restaurant?
> > >
> > > John Reese
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2002-12-12 at 10:33, Will Holway wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Having just returned from CA I can second that.
> > I
> > > > always try to support the local guys (both
> > > breweries
> > > > and brewpubs). And the beer here is very good.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- David H Berg <bergbrew(a)juno.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > As I sit here tonight, pondering the demise of
> > > yet
> > > > > another Minnesota
> > > > > brewery (let's see, that's Minn Brew, Water
> > > Tower,
> > > > > and now
> > > > > Sherlock's...not to mention one not too far
> > out
> > > on
> > > > > the horizon), I am
> > > > > depressed.
> > > > >
> > > > > I remember starting here, and hearing everyone
> > > speak
> > > > > of the Pacific
> > > > > Northwest. Well folks, I lived there for
> > three
> > > > > years, so you probably
> > > > > aren't going to tell me anything I didn't
> > > experience
> > > > > first-hand. I've
> > > > > said it before and I'll say it again---hands
> > > down, I
> > > > > would rather drink
> > > > > beer here in Minnesota. You may wish to argue
> > > with
> > > > > me, but it is the
> > > > > truth. I hear the ads for Summit, and
> > > appreciate
> > > > > them because their
> > > > > point is--imports are not better because they
> > > come
> > > > > from somewhere else.
> > > > > Don't miss an opportunity for great beer
> > because
> > > > > it's local. An odd
> > > > > statement, but it seems that is what is
> > > happening.
> > > > >
> > > > > Next time you're out, stop by one of the
> > > brewpubs.
> > > > > Or buy a six pack of
> > > > > Summit, St Croix, Page, Superior, Gluek,
> > > Schell's,
> > > > > Mantorville. Because
> > > > > it will truly be a sad day when locally made
> > > beer is
> > > > > brewed in Missouri,
> > > > > or Oregon, or California....
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
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The Shakopee brewery to which you refer is "Harwell's".
- Al
"Will Holway"
<brew987(a)yahoo.c To: mba(a)thebarn.com
om> cc:
Sent by: Subject: RE: Minnesota
mba-bounce@theba
rn.com
12/17/2002 09:13
AM
Well, I'm glad you asked. The next WestSide meeting
will be at the gravesite of Water Tower Brewing, next
stop is up for grabs. A generous homebrewer who lives
in the area (and HIS brewwery is still OPEN) has
offered to host, or we could head to Sherlock's for a
pint, or do both ...
Anyhow, the date is Thursday, 12/19 7:00 pm. Then we
can have some of Dave's remaining beer and discuss the
next stop.
As to Granite City, I'm a bit displeased with the
proprietor at the moment, but anything is possible in
the future I guess ...
There was also some talk of trying to have a meeting
at the former Brew Station in Shakopee (the name
escapes me at the moment).
Cheers
WH
--- Kirby Richter <KirbyR(a)magenic.com> wrote:
> Its depressing! Some classic beers are going to the
> grave.
>
> Anyways Will, when and where is the next westside
> meeting?
>
> I guess you are running out of locations! Next
> westside meeting at Granite City in St Cloud?
>
> Kirby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will Holway
> To: Kirby Richter; 'mba(a)thebarn.com '
> Sent: 12/16/2002 8:50 AM
> Subject: RE: Minnesota
>
> One guess is that the bar is area is too small, and
> that is probably where they make the best money? Or
> Bill wants to put everything into his Granite City
> brewpub chain and shipping wort across state borders
> ...
>
> It is really discouraging to me, as a brewer and
> consumer ...
>
>
> --- Kirby Richter <KirbyR(a)magenic.com> wrote:
> >
> > What I cant understand is why Sherlocks is
> closing?
> >
> >
> > From a bar perspective they have some of the best
> > beer in town and everytime
> > I go there the bar is pretty packed.
> >
> > Maybe it was the restaurant part? I know everyone
> > loves their fish and
> > chips.
> >
> > I for one am going to sorely miss Sherlocks :(
> >
> > Kirby Richter
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Reese
> > To: mba(a)thebarn.com
> > Sent: 12/14/2002 10:41 AM
> > Subject: Re: Minnesota
> >
> >
> > What's this about the brewing operation at
> > Sherlock's closing down? I
> > must have missed it. Can anyone fill me in or send
> a
> > link to a story?
> > What about the restaurant?
> >
> > John Reese
> >
> > On Thu, 2002-12-12 at 10:33, Will Holway wrote:
> > >
> > > Having just returned from CA I can second that.
> I
> > > always try to support the local guys (both
> > breweries
> > > and brewpubs). And the beer here is very good.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- David H Berg <bergbrew(a)juno.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > As I sit here tonight, pondering the demise of
> > yet
> > > > another Minnesota
> > > > brewery (let's see, that's Minn Brew, Water
> > Tower,
> > > > and now
> > > > Sherlock's...not to mention one not too far
> out
> > on
> > > > the horizon), I am
> > > > depressed.
> > > >
> > > > I remember starting here, and hearing everyone
> > speak
> > > > of the Pacific
> > > > Northwest. Well folks, I lived there for
> three
> > > > years, so you probably
> > > > aren't going to tell me anything I didn't
> > experience
> > > > first-hand. I've
> > > > said it before and I'll say it again---hands
> > down, I
> > > > would rather drink
> > > > beer here in Minnesota. You may wish to argue
> > with
> > > > me, but it is the
> > > > truth. I hear the ads for Summit, and
> > appreciate
> > > > them because their
> > > > point is--imports are not better because they
> > come
> > > > from somewhere else.
> > > > Don't miss an opportunity for great beer
> because
> > > > it's local. An odd
> > > > statement, but it seems that is what is
> > happening.
> > > >
> > > > Next time you're out, stop by one of the
> > brewpubs.
> > > > Or buy a six pack of
> > > > Summit, St Croix, Page, Superior, Gluek,
> > Schell's,
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Well, I'm glad you asked. The next WestSide meeting
will be at the gravesite of Water Tower Brewing, next
stop is up for grabs. A generous homebrewer who lives
in the area (and HIS brewwery is still OPEN) has
offered to host, or we could head to Sherlock's for a
pint, or do both ...
Anyhow, the date is Thursday, 12/19 7:00 pm. Then we
can have some of Dave's remaining beer and discuss the
next stop.
As to Granite City, I'm a bit displeased with the
proprietor at the moment, but anything is possible in
the future I guess ...
There was also some talk of trying to have a meeting
at the former Brew Station in Shakopee (the name
escapes me at the moment).
Cheers
WH
--- Kirby Richter <KirbyR(a)magenic.com> wrote:
> Its depressing! Some classic beers are going to the
> grave.
>
> Anyways Will, when and where is the next westside
> meeting?
>
> I guess you are running out of locations! Next
> westside meeting at Granite City in St Cloud?
>
> Kirby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will Holway
> To: Kirby Richter; 'mba(a)thebarn.com '
> Sent: 12/16/2002 8:50 AM
> Subject: RE: Minnesota
>
> One guess is that the bar is area is too small, and
> that is probably where they make the best money? Or
> Bill wants to put everything into his Granite City
> brewpub chain and shipping wort across state borders
> ...
>
> It is really discouraging to me, as a brewer and
> consumer ...
>
>
> --- Kirby Richter <KirbyR(a)magenic.com> wrote:
> >
> > What I cant understand is why Sherlocks is
> closing?
> >
> >
> > From a bar perspective they have some of the best
> > beer in town and everytime
> > I go there the bar is pretty packed.
> >
> > Maybe it was the restaurant part? I know everyone
> > loves their fish and
> > chips.
> >
> > I for one am going to sorely miss Sherlocks :(
> >
> > Kirby Richter
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Reese
> > To: mba(a)thebarn.com
> > Sent: 12/14/2002 10:41 AM
> > Subject: Re: Minnesota
> >
> >
> > What's this about the brewing operation at
> > Sherlock's closing down? I
> > must have missed it. Can anyone fill me in or send
> a
> > link to a story?
> > What about the restaurant?
> >
> > John Reese
> >
> > On Thu, 2002-12-12 at 10:33, Will Holway wrote:
> > >
> > > Having just returned from CA I can second that.
> I
> > > always try to support the local guys (both
> > breweries
> > > and brewpubs). And the beer here is very good.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- David H Berg <bergbrew(a)juno.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > As I sit here tonight, pondering the demise of
> > yet
> > > > another Minnesota
> > > > brewery (let's see, that's Minn Brew, Water
> > Tower,
> > > > and now
> > > > Sherlock's...not to mention one not too far
> out
> > on
> > > > the horizon), I am
> > > > depressed.
> > > >
> > > > I remember starting here, and hearing everyone
> > speak
> > > > of the Pacific
> > > > Northwest. Well folks, I lived there for
> three
> > > > years, so you probably
> > > > aren't going to tell me anything I didn't
> > experience
> > > > first-hand. I've
> > > > said it before and I'll say it again---hands
> > down, I
> > > > would rather drink
> > > > beer here in Minnesota. You may wish to argue
> > with
> > > > me, but it is the
> > > > truth. I hear the ads for Summit, and
> > appreciate
> > > > them because their
> > > > point is--imports are not better because they
> > come
> > > > from somewhere else.
> > > > Don't miss an opportunity for great beer
> because
> > > > it's local. An odd
> > > > statement, but it seems that is what is
> > happening.
> > > >
> > > > Next time you're out, stop by one of the
> > brewpubs.
> > > > Or buy a six pack of
> > > > Summit, St Croix, Page, Superior, Gluek,
> > Schell's,
> > > > Mantorville. Because
> > > > it will truly be a sad day when locally made
> > beer is
> > > > brewed in Missouri,
> > > > or Oregon, or California....
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > Darkness bind them.
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> >
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