Rene-
My thoughts and prayers are with you both. If there's anything I or the
club can do for you or Bob, please don't hesitate to call. If you feel Bob
is up to callers or visitors, let us know, and we'll be there.
Al Boyce
651-205-0471 (w)
952-927-8968 (h)
alboyce(a)bigfoot.com
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From: R Cromer renecromer(a)pressenter.com
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 11:09:23 -0500
To: Sphbc(a)sphbc.org
Subject: Re: [SPHBC Public] Re: Mashout
Dear Club Members,
Bob Cromer suffered a stroke yesterday, June 5 and is currently at
United Hospital in St Paul. One of the main arteries to his brain (L)
comletely closed causing the stroke. Tfhe R side of the body was affected.
His has good strength, mobility and balance but his right arm and face were
affected. As of this morning his strength and feeling in the arm were
returning, however his face has not, which affects his speech. Surgery is
out of the question since the artery is 100% blocked, so he will be on blood
thinners to keep things moving through the remaining 3 arteries. He is
trying to speak, but his speech is a bit garbled. Obviously, he will not be
able to attend the Las Vegas event. I thought you would like to know, and
please raise a glass of homebrew to a full recovery for Bob. Once his
blood thinner medication is stabilized, I will be able to bring him home,
probably Wed or Thurs.
Rene' Cromer
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Rick,
While I agree that the traditional IPA was made wih English
hops, I doubt the levels were as intense as you and I would
make them. Take a look at the CAMRA (start at
http://www.camra.org.uk/) book on IPA which reprints a number
of the old recipes from the commercial producers of the time
and then include the fact that it took nearly a year for the
beer to get to the drinkers in India and the beer was bitter
but the hop flavor and aroma were likely very low.
My version of one of these didn't place in Mashout but is
advancing in the AHA Nationals. If I remember correctly the
boil (something like 1.129 OG) was 1.5 pounds of Goldings for
85 minutes for approximately 7 gallons of wort so it was really
bitter. The original recipe had no late hop additions, no hop
back, and no dry hopping. Of course the spent hops were reused
to boil the 13 gallons of second runnings and that was also a
very hoppy beer was supposed to be a Scottish Ale but it was
more of an English Pale Ale.
Rick Oftel writes:
>
> But in the traditional sense of the name, isn't the judges comment correct? I enjoy hoppy ales more than most but believe that a traditional India Pale Ale should be made primarily from English hop and malt varieties and should be hopped to the gills in the: kettle, hopback, grant, keg, and in the glass.
>
> Rick Oftel
>
> >>> "Steve Fletty" <fletty(a)umn.edu> 06/02/04 09:56AM >>>
> My favorite scoresheet ever was the one where the judges told me that
> American hops were inappropiate in an IPA. I resited the temptation to visit
> eash one of them and give them a nice Bell's Two Hearted or Celebration Ale
> or Hop Devil or....
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Curt Stock" <cstock(a)barr.com>
> To: "Mike Moranz" <mmoranz(a)net-info.com>; "Steve Fletty" <fletty(a)umn.edu>;
> <Sphbc(a)sphbc.org>
> Cc: <mba(a)thebarn.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:53 AM
> Subject: RE: Mashout
>
>
> Great comment Mike. That's a perfect way to get the most out of a
> scoresheet.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mba-bounce(a)thebarn.com [mailto:mba-bounce@thebarn.com] On Behalf
> Of Mike Moranz
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:34 AM
> To: Steve Fletty; Sphbc(a)sphbc.org
> Cc: mba(a)thebarn.com
> Subject: RE: Mashout
>
>
> It's not just numbers of entries, it's understanding judging and knowing
> your own beers. I entered 4 and won 3 medals. The judges comments also
> have to be read with an experienced eye to be able to improve your
> brewing. Most comments are useful even though you may disagree with the
> judge. Sit back with one of your entries and your scoresheet and taste
> it while reading the comments. Mike
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mba-bounce(a)thebarn.com [mailto:mba-bounce@thebarn.com]On Behalf
> > Of Steve Fletty
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 11:52 AM
> > To: Sphbc(a)sphbc.org
> > Cc: mba(a)thebarn.com
> > Subject: Re: Mashout
> >
> >
> > I'd like to echo Rick "you've got to enter to win" idea.
> >
> > I had 11 beers in the Mash-Out and managed to win with 3. One of my
> > beers scored a 21.
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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Mendota Heights, MN 55120
But in the traditional sense of the name, isn't the judges comment correct? I enjoy hoppy ales more than most but believe that a traditional India Pale Ale should be made primarily from English hop and malt varieties and should be hopped to the gills in the: kettle, hopback, grant, keg, and in the glass.
Rick Oftel
>>> "Steve Fletty" <fletty(a)umn.edu> 06/02/04 09:56AM >>>
My favorite scoresheet ever was the one where the judges told me that
American hops were inappropiate in an IPA. I resited the temptation to visit
eash one of them and give them a nice Bell's Two Hearted or Celebration Ale
or Hop Devil or....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curt Stock" <cstock(a)barr.com>
To: "Mike Moranz" <mmoranz(a)net-info.com>; "Steve Fletty" <fletty(a)umn.edu>;
<Sphbc(a)sphbc.org>
Cc: <mba(a)thebarn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:53 AM
Subject: RE: Mashout
Great comment Mike. That's a perfect way to get the most out of a
scoresheet.
-----Original Message-----
From: mba-bounce(a)thebarn.com [mailto:mba-bounce@thebarn.com] On Behalf
Of Mike Moranz
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:34 AM
To: Steve Fletty; Sphbc(a)sphbc.org
Cc: mba(a)thebarn.com
Subject: RE: Mashout
It's not just numbers of entries, it's understanding judging and knowing
your own beers. I entered 4 and won 3 medals. The judges comments also
have to be read with an experienced eye to be able to improve your
brewing. Most comments are useful even though you may disagree with the
judge. Sit back with one of your entries and your scoresheet and taste
it while reading the comments. Mike
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mba-bounce(a)thebarn.com [mailto:mba-bounce@thebarn.com]On Behalf
> Of Steve Fletty
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 11:52 AM
> To: Sphbc(a)sphbc.org
> Cc: mba(a)thebarn.com
> Subject: Re: Mashout
>
>
> I'd like to echo Rick "you've got to enter to win" idea.
>
> I had 11 beers in the Mash-Out and managed to win with 3. One of my
> beers scored a 21.
>
>
Al, Just a quick thank you for putting together such a well run contest and series of events. This contest just keeps getting larger and larger every year. The prizes were very nice. Two days after the event the scores were tallied, the sheets were returned and the medals arrived!
I have already put the date for next years contest into the planning system and will work my May events to fit around it.
The one thing I learned this year and should have remembered from previous contests is the word enter. You can't win or find out anything out unless you try. You can disagree or argue with the results but the feedback is always valuable. It was interesting to look over the multitude of comments and contrast them with some of the folks doing the judging. Some people are very sensitive to hops and mentioned I used too many. Other folks are at the other end of the spectrum and mentioned I needed more. One comment suggested that I use a little grain in my recipe to increase the malt character. Hmmmmm............
All in all, the judging was good. Points were a little scarce.
Look forward to next year.
Sincerely,
Rick Oftel
MHBA Member at Large
More good news from Duluth...
-----Forwarded Message-----
From: brewery(a)brewhouse.net
Sent: Jun 2, 2004 11:30 AM
To: north-shore-brewer(a)earthlink.net
Subject: beers
Hi,
Just a quick heads up on the latest beer releases down at the Brewhouse.
Tugboat Irish Stout 3.8% a dry stout is now pouring on nitrogen. We will have limited growlers of this beer in two weeks.
On Friday June 4th we will release the 3rd batch of Finn's Finest Ale. 6.4% This special pale ale is brewed once a year to celebrated little Finn Hoops' birthday. This year we bumped up the flavor and the hops.
Finn's is currently available on cask for a limited time.
This weekend we will also release
Slacker Pale Ale, a super west coast style pale.
Check www.brewhouse.net for events and updates.
Cheers and thanks for your support
The brewhouse gang.
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But the beer's all gone! Honest, I drained more kegs than I thought possible. Had to do the quality control process evaluation a few times with the new filler but by the time I brought in my entries, most/all of the bottled beer was gone! What's a guy to do? Brew more?
Rick
>>> "Mike Moranz" <mmoranz(a)net-info.com> 06/02/04 09:33AM >>>
It's not just numbers of entries, it's understanding judging and knowing
your own beers. I entered 4 and won 3 medals. The judges comments also
have to be read with an experienced eye to be able to improve your brewing.
Most comments are useful even though you may disagree with the judge. Sit
back with one of your entries and your scoresheet and taste it while reading
the comments.
Mike
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mba-bounce(a)thebarn.com [mailto:mba-bounce@thebarn.com]On Behalf Of
> Steve Fletty
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 11:52 AM
> To: Sphbc(a)sphbc.org
> Cc: mba(a)thebarn.com
> Subject: Re: Mashout
>
>
> I'd like to echo Rick "you've got to enter to win" idea.
>
> I had 11 beers in the Mash-Out and managed to win with 3. One of my beers
> scored a 21.
>
>
Great comment Mike. That's a perfect way to get the most out of a
scoresheet.
-----Original Message-----
From: mba-bounce(a)thebarn.com [mailto:mba-bounce@thebarn.com] On Behalf
Of Mike Moranz
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:34 AM
To: Steve Fletty; Sphbc(a)sphbc.org
Cc: mba(a)thebarn.com
Subject: RE: Mashout
It's not just numbers of entries, it's understanding judging and knowing
your own beers. I entered 4 and won 3 medals. The judges comments also
have to be read with an experienced eye to be able to improve your
brewing. Most comments are useful even though you may disagree with the
judge. Sit back with one of your entries and your scoresheet and taste
it while reading the comments. Mike
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mba-bounce(a)thebarn.com [mailto:mba-bounce@thebarn.com]On Behalf
> Of Steve Fletty
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 11:52 AM
> To: Sphbc(a)sphbc.org
> Cc: mba(a)thebarn.com
> Subject: Re: Mashout
>
>
> I'd like to echo Rick "you've got to enter to win" idea.
>
> I had 11 beers in the Mash-Out and managed to win with 3. One of my
> beers scored a 21.
>
>
Eric-
They sell t-shirts like that at Midwest - they call it the "Beeriodic
Table." (probably at other brew shops as well). It looks like the Table Of
Elements.
http://www.midwestsupplies.com/products/images/glassware/beeriodic-t-shirt.j
pg
- Al
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From: Eric Olson eolson(a)centennialmtg.com
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 12:37:10 -0500
To: mba(a)thebarn.com
Subject: Beer Flow Chart
Hi all,
Rick Oftel stopped by last week while I was brewing my newest batch, a
Honey Ale. We were talking about different styles of beer and (as I
already knew) I am woefully ignorant of the different types of beer,
despite my love for the stuff.
I was wondering if any of you had a "Beer Flow Chart"--something that
showed "Beer" at the top, with "Ales" and "Lagers" split below, then a
breakdown of those beers below Ales and Lagers. I am picturing
something that looks like an upside-down family tree.
Has anyone seen something like this? Is anyone interested in making
one? Just a thought.
Eric Olson
Mortgage Consultant
Centennial Mortgage and Funding
250 Prairie Center Drive, Suite 100
Eden Prairie, MN 55344
Corporate Office: 952-253-4026
Mobile/Message: 612-618-2297
Toll Free: 888-826-0025
Fax: 952-826-0027
-----Original Message-----
From: mba-bounce(a)thebarn.com [mailto:mba-bounce@thebarn.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Hain
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:28 PM
To: mba(a)thebarn.com
Subject: She enjoyed a beer with meals
World's oldest person dies at 114
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/05/31/oldest.person.ap/index.html
The beer info is near the bottom of the article.
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bob(a)me.umn.edu
(612) 626-9800
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Hi all,
Rick Oftel stopped by last week while I was brewing my newest batch, a
Honey Ale. We were talking about different styles of beer and (as I
already knew) I am woefully ignorant of the different types of beer,
despite my love for the stuff.
I was wondering if any of you had a "Beer Flow Chart"--something that
showed "Beer" at the top, with "Ales" and "Lagers" split below, then a
breakdown of those beers below Ales and Lagers. I am picturing
something that looks like an upside-down family tree.
Has anyone seen something like this? Is anyone interested in making
one? Just a thought.
Eric Olson
Mortgage Consultant
Centennial Mortgage and Funding
250 Prairie Center Drive, Suite 100
Eden Prairie, MN 55344
Corporate Office: 952-253-4026
Mobile/Message: 612-618-2297
Toll Free: 888-826-0025
Fax: 952-826-0027
-----Original Message-----
From: mba-bounce(a)thebarn.com [mailto:mba-bounce@thebarn.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Hain
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:28 PM
To: mba(a)thebarn.com
Subject: She enjoyed a beer with meals
World's oldest person dies at 114
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/05/31/oldest.person.ap/index.html
The beer info is near the bottom of the article.
--
bob hain
bob(a)me.umn.edu
(612) 626-9800
