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by Ivory Scruggs

21 years, 12 months

Harwell's (steakhouse &) Brewery is closed - I have lots of grain and hops for sale

by Crist, Jonathan

Greetings After 5 years of operations in Shakopee in the restaurant and brewery have closed. Harwell's (formerly The Brew Station) becomes the 4th brewpub in the Twin Cities to cease operations in just over 1 year. Some of the supplies ordered just prior to the closing are being returned to credit some of my unreimbursed expenses or are being sold to local brewing supply shops. Other supplies need to find a home so I can recover some of the lost expenses.. I have lots of Five Star acid cleaners for brewing system (acid 5 and acid 6), beverage dispensing cleaners (acid line cleaner, beverage line cleaner) and saniclean. Gallons of acid cleaners. Also about 80# of PBW. I was hoping to sell these to one of the brewpubs but none have responded. To the point of this message, while the grain and hops are still pretty fresh, I'm holding a fire sale (without the flames and smoke). I have about 30 pails of grain, some full some not, and two boxes full of hops. Even if I brewed as often as Rick I couldn't use all this grain up in months, and the same for hops. I haven't inventoried the hops yet but they include First Gold, Styrian Goldings, UK East Kent Golding, US Kent, US Saaz, Tettnagger, Hallertau (US), Hallertau (Ger), Fuggles, Willamette Cascade, Chinook, Centential, Target Grain - the quantity varies and some has already been "grabbed" Simpson's Golden Promise - a damaged full bag has been spoken for but the still is a partial pail Weyermann Pilsner (spoken for) Weyermann Melanoidin Gambrinus Honey Malt Dingemann's Special B Most of the rest are Briess: 20L, 60l, 2-row, 6-row, white wheat, red wheat, Chocolate, Black, Roasted Barley, Victory, Vienna, Munich, Pale I don't have a scale (it stayed at the brewery to be sold) so grain may be sold by scoop or the pail. I'm not sure exactly how to price the hops. Some were or are 1 lb packs and others are the balance of a 5lb pack. Regardless of how we measure them this will be a one time sale. I can't bring everything to the party but I'll try to bring as much as I hear responses. Jonathan

21 years, 12 months

the law about food safety in Belgium

by todd ashman

I've heard from a few folks about what law is being implemented in regards to the Lambic breweries being hassled/closed. Please follow this link to an EU word document. http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/pri/en/lip/latest/doc/2003/com2003_0033en01.doc It basically covers what is and is not hygenic. I haven't gone through the whole document but from what I understand is wood does not cut it. I don't want to go down this road to far as I see something similar happening here in the future... Todd Ashman

21 years, 12 months

Re: The end of Gueze as we know it part II

by Bob Paolino

Lyon wrote: > > right now? What legal recourse do the breweries have? Will this It may not/probably won't do any good, but consumer pressure from abroad can't hurt. Tell them how it will mean the death of a national treasure/historic brewing tradition, and that you will have that much less reason to visit Belgium. Belgian Tourist Office 220 East 42nd Street, Suite 3402 New York, NY 10017 Tel: (212) 758-8130 Fax: (212) 355-7576 Office du Tourisme Belge Belgian Tourist Office P.O.Box 760, Succursale N.D.G. Montreal, Quebec, H4A 3S2 Tel: (514) 457-2888 Fax: (514) 457-9447 Office de Promotion du Tourisme Wallonie-Bruxelles (Representation au Quebec) 43, rue de Buade, Bureau 525 Quebec Ville, Quebec, G1R 4A2 [note: not exactly a correct translation--looks like a crude/literal attempt to translate Québec City, which would really be Ville de Québec anyway, but you'd probably address it Québec, Québec -- just as "New York City" is really New York, New York :-) ] Tel (418) 692-4939 Fax (418) 692-4974 Embassy of Belgium 3330 Garfield St. NW Washington, DC 20008 Phone (202) 333-6900 Fax (202) 333-3079 Washington, DC Now go have a beer, Bob Paolino >From the Department of Military Intelligence and Jumbo Shrimp: Sign seen on a recently poisoned lawn: TruGreen/ChemLawn ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign X against HTML e-mail: / \ Friends don't send friends HTML-bloated messages! A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?

21 years, 12 months

Re: the law about food safety in Belgium

by Dave Phillips

Actually U.S. artisanal cheese makers are also defending raw milk cheese, and it sounds like the same kind of simplistic aproach to food safety that threatens raw milk cheese is now threatening to keep lambic makers from using wood. David Phillips Chief Editor, Dairy Foods 1050 Illinois Route 83, Suite 200 Bensenville IL 60106 630/694-4341 phillipsd(a)bnp.com >>> Ray Daniels <raydan(a)AMERITECH.NET> 12/09/03 11:11AM >>> Yes, one wonders if wood will be deemed OK for wine and spirits but not for beer. Aren't the Europeans the one's defending milk made from unpasteurized cheese? R -----Original Message----- From: Chicago Beer Society Home Brewer List [mailto:CBS-HB@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU]On Behalf Of Randy Mosher Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 3:08 AM To: CBS-HB(a)LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Subject: Re: the law about food safety in Belgium Does that mean the French are going to have to ferment everything in stainless steel? --Randy on 12/9/03 4:50 PM, todd ashman at tashman(a)SBCGLOBAL.NET wrote: > I've heard from a few folks about what law is being implemented in regards to > the Lambic breweries being hassled/closed. Please follow this link to an EU > word document. > > http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/pri/en/lip/latest/doc/2003/com2003_0033en01.doc > > It basically covers what is and is not hygenic. I haven't gone through the > whole document but from what I understand is wood does not cut it. I don't > want to go down this road to far as I see something similar happening here in > the future... > > Todd Ashman ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| http://randymosherdesign.com Please note my new email address: randymosher(a)rcn.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version: 6.0.547 / Virus Database: 340 - Release Date: 12/2/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version: 6.0.547 / Virus Database: 340 - Release Date: 12/2/2003

21 years, 12 months

The end of Gueze as we know it part II

by todd ashman

The plot thickens my friends. Timmermans has been given notice to resolve the issues or they are closed. De Troch has indeed ceased brewing and Girardin has threatened to give up before they even get inspected. If you are indeed a 'sour beer' fan your days are sadly numbered. As Americans we can do nothing but sit back and watch. It's painful as something that is hundreds of years old get's 86'd in the name of 'progress'... I highly recommend hoarding if you can get your hands on the stuff... Todd Ashman

21 years, 12 months

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Re: Belgium Info Please?

by Michael David

Roger is right about Brugges - worth a trip all by its lonesome. It's been a few years but In 't Spinnekopke for food and beer - together, Le Paon Royale for food, and Mort Subite just because stick out in my memory. You must also head out to Beersel for Drei Fonteinen and Centrum Hotel www.centrumhotel.com . You can get there by train or tram. We've never taken the tram - you have to change trains and climb a pretty respectable hill but it's a short, manageable trip for lunch. The last trip (uh oh - three years ago), we stayed in Brussels at a place just off the square called L'arlequin for about 90 Euros. Convenient and decent - I found and booked it through travelocity.com - but there's no shortage of decent accommodations in all price ranges. The two spots I liked best in Brugges were Erasmus and Den Diver. Den Diver requires reservations and something more dressy than cut-offs and a ripped tee but it and Spinnekopke are especially known for their beer cuisine. Erasmus is a perfectly delightful cafe in the hotel of the same name with a fantastic beer list and wonderful food - the only place we went to twice on our first trip. I can't imagine needing a car as train service is fast, frequent, and relatively inexpensive. There are three connected stations in Brussels and all station platforms have complete schedules for that station including track numbers. See about buying a multi day pass. You can take the train to any part of the country from the airport. A word of caution - some of these family run places close for a few weeks for the holidays. We took the train to Beersel between Christmas and New Years, climbed the hill in a wet snowstorm to be greeted by the sight of a closed Drei Fonteinen. We found much solace and gueze at Centrum Hotel a few yards away. Spinnekopke was closed, too. Enjoy,,,,, hmm - time for a road trip -----Original Message----- From: Chicago Beer Society Home Brewer List [mailto:CBS-HB@LISTSERV.UIC.EDU]On Behalf Of Adam Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 1:51 PM To: CBS-HB(a)LISTSERV.UIC.EDU Subject: Belgium Info Please? Hi All Long time Clark St. Ale House employees Rebecca & Cody are getting married and will spend part of the honey moon in Belgium, I am asking for info since I've never been, and know there are many experts on the list. General info is good, places to stay, how to get around would be most appreciated. and of course,, were to go for beer, which breweries & Pubs should not be missed.!? Good places to eat, any other info they might be able to use. If a rental car is recommended. Thanks Adam Clark St Ale House 742 N. Clark Chicago,Il 60610

21 years, 12 months

Car pool for Friday night holiday party

by Rick Larson

Anyone living on the west side of town want to car pool to and from Friday's club holiday party? A designated driver is always a _Good_Thing_ and I've heard this Friday the Federales will be out in force. I'm near Ridgedale and if you would like to car pool, please let me know. Thanks, rick

21 years, 12 months

Gueze and lambic as we know could be done...

by todd ashman

As predicted earlier this year the Belgian goverment in a effort to comply to EU standards has taken a rather harsh approach to lambic breweries from a 'food safety' stance. Aside from wood barrels no wood can be utilized in the brewery. Any of you who have been to any of the lambic breweries know this is a hard thing to do and retrofitting may be too much for the smaller ones to comply with. Earlier this week De Troch had it's license revoked to brew. It has been said that all lambic breweries will fall within the next few months... Except the Interbrew facilities if they choose to continue. Todd Ashman

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