Wayne, When a professional speaks to a group of tinkerers, they start thinking. Personally, I think about 3 or 4 stainless steel "projects" that I wish I could do well. A few of us have heli-arc equipment and some of us have experience. What we could benefit from is possibly a refresher course or some general guidance. I know you are not just next door but thought the idea may spark some comment from the clubs this message reaches. How can we professionally complete some projects and what are the limits? My projects would include a really trick fermenter vessel, a powered mash mixer (already have good motor and gearbox) and a 20-23 gallon kettle (already have formed bottom). Beer anyone? Rick