Talk about stirring up the pot! FWH is an ancient technique that is hard to measure objectively but is advantageous especially to the small scale brewer. Since it is not practical to make double batches and compare results, I use the analytical techniques available for my small brewery e.g., the lack of boil-overs. Since I started FWHing a few years ago and the removed those whole hops and foam at first boil, my boil overs have virtually stopped. I am not sure if the removal of the foam, the usage of first wort hopping, or the combination of the two is responsible for the reduction in boil overs but my floor stays much cleaner as do the sides of the kettle. Now if I could see some of those other posts, I would be a happy camper. Rick Oftel Two more tidbits from the HBD.. Just trying to stir up the pot a little lately--summer is upon us and business is slow... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Seibel tells us: 'classic' And the illusion is shattered. These Gods of Brewing don't have the slightest clue what First Wort Hopping is. What a disappointment. You have to hold everything else they say suspect after an answer like that. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I find it very interesting that when our homebrew community is given the "honor" of asking questions to Seibel, that we are suddenly innundated with posts from pro-brewers, asking questions which have little or nothing to do about homebrewing issues. I find this backs-up my previous post where I stated that I don't see what these people have in common with us. I'm certainly not brewing 120bbl at a time, as one of these posts refered to. I would even wonder if this Seibel "opportunity" isn't a veiled attempt by the pro-brewing community use homebrewers as a front for free advice. Where are these pro-brewers when Seibel week isn't happening? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ db ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.