A couple of el-cheapo solutions I have used successfully: 1. Use copper & brass fittings to connect the phloating FB to the bulkhead. I used a brass 1/2" mpt x 3/8" compression elbow threaded into the FB on one end and copper tubing going to the bulkhead (also w/ comp fitting). Some bending of the copper tubing was required. Additional adjustment (loosening) of the FB on the threaded fitting can be done to snug it up against the bottom of the tun. 2. Dump the FB & build a slotted CPVC manifold. This worked great with a plain old bucket. I used the "high-temp" spigot (not the bottling type) commonly sold at local HBS shops. I found all the necessary CPVC fittings and tubing (1/2") at Menards. 3. Dump the FB & build a slotted copper manifold. A little trickier than #2, but much shinier and therefore more gratifying. Soldering not necessary. Options 2 & 3 worked much, much better for me than the old phil's phloater with respect to runoff clarity, efficiency and general PITA factor. Hope this helps. allan.boyce@usbank.com@thebarn.com on 09/02/2003 12:42:41 PM Sent by: mba-bounce(a)thebarn.com To: jdcotton(a)mmm.com cc: jvoosen(a)usfamily.net, mba(a)thebarn.com, mba-bounce(a)thebarn.com Subject: Re: 1st All Grain Brew I started out with my 10-gal Gott and the spigot replacement that Jeff is recommending, and I've never had the floating problem. The website is blocked from my corp location too, but I checked on them a couple months ago and Hoptech was still selling them. Another device that can do the trick is the Phil's Phloating Snake. Get some 1" food grade tubing and cut it large enough so that it makes a loop large enough to go around the inner circumference of your cooler. Fill it with bb's, and glue some food-grade rubber corks in each end with some food-grade silicone caulk. When you brew, put in your Phalse Bottom, then put the snake on top of it to keep the Phloater from Phloating. - Al jdcotton(a)mmm.com Sent by: To: jvoosen(a)usfamily.net mba-bounce@theba cc: mba(a)thebarn.com rn.com Subject: Re: 1st All Grain Brew 09/02/2003 11:32 AM Ah, how I love the Phil's Floating False Bottom. Jim, I ran into the same this before. I put my system together (a 5 gallon Gott cooler and a PFFB) and it did just that; started to float to the top. When this happened I was running my siphon tube up the inside of the mash tun and out the top. Not the most ideal, but it worked. What I did to fix that was to get a device from www.HopTech.com They sold a device to go through the spigot portion of the cooler. I don't know if they still sell them now (corporate system won't let me look). This worked great and solved the floating issue. If you're not using a mash tun that can be converted like that, try weighing it down with a bunch of clean marbles. Either in a bag or loose depending on the size and shape of the mash tun. If you secure the PFFB to the bottom of the mash tun, you want it removable so that you can clean it. Good luck, Jeff jvoosen(a)usfamily.n et To: mba(a)thebarn.com Sent by: cc: mba-bounce@thebarn Subject: 1st All Grain Brew .com 09/02/2003 10:24 AM I tried my hand at my first all grain brew over the weekend. While this was a very interesting experience compared to extract kits, I ran into one issue and looking for advice. When it came time to sparge, I found out the phalse bottom (plastic) had floated and grain plugged up the outlet hose to the brew kettle. This is where strainers come in handy. Would hate to pour this out in the garden. Any ideas on how to anchor this down ?? Thanks in advance! Jim Voosen Stillwater, Mn ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately.