But in the traditional sense of the name, isn't the judges comment correct? I enjoy hoppy ales more than most but believe that a traditional India Pale Ale should be made primarily from English hop and malt varieties and should be hopped to the gills in the: kettle, hopback, grant, keg, and in the glass. Rick Oftel My favorite scoresheet ever was the one where the judges told me that American hops were inappropiate in an IPA. I resited the temptation to visit eash one of them and give them a nice Bell's Two Hearted or Celebration Ale or Hop Devil or.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Stock" <cstock(a)barr.com> To: "Mike Moranz" <mmoranz(a)net-info.com>; "Steve Fletty" <fletty(a)umn.edu>; <Sphbc(a)sphbc.org> Cc: <mba(a)thebarn.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:53 AM Subject: RE: Mashout Great comment Mike. That's a perfect way to get the most out of a scoresheet. -----Original Message----- From: mba-bounce(a)thebarn.com [mailto:mba-bounce@thebarn.com] On Behalf Of Mike Moranz Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:34 AM To: Steve Fletty; Sphbc(a)sphbc.org Cc: mba(a)thebarn.com Subject: RE: Mashout It's not just numbers of entries, it's understanding judging and knowing your own beers. I entered 4 and won 3 medals. The judges comments also have to be read with an experienced eye to be able to improve your brewing. Most comments are useful even though you may disagree with the judge. Sit back with one of your entries and your scoresheet and taste it while reading the comments. Mike