I've recently rediscovered gelatin. I was having clarity issues every time I used English maris otter type malt as a base. I think it helps. My last batch was crystal clear and there was quite a cake at the bottom of the keg after she fried. My suggestion would be to get the beer as close to freezing as possible before adding the gelatin or any othe finings. My new sop is to throw my secondary keg in the fridge and crank it up a couple days before racking. I heat the stuff up in a pyrex measuring cup w/ about 1/3 cup water in the microwave until the gelatin fully dissolves. Don't worry if you boil it a little - it won't ruin anything. I add it after racking, then gas 'er up to about 15-20 psi & rock the keg back & forth to mix it up good & get some carbonation for an early taste. The first couple glasses are a little cloudy, then it clears up. ymmv Michael Valentiner <mpv@yuck.net>@thebarn.com on 06/30/2003 09:59:43 AM Sent by: mba-bounce(a)thebarn.com To: Dave Cox &lt;north-shore-brewer(a)earthlink.net&gt;, mba(a)thebarn.com cc: Subject: Re: Clarity suggestions: If your mashing, skip the protein rest. Irish Moss at the end of the boil helps, but once in the fermenter gelatin works better than isinglass. Get some Knox brand gelatin, dissolve one packet with a cup of sterile water (heat, but do NOT boil), pour on top of beer, let sit for a week. Drop the temperature and lager the beer. Change yeast. Different yeasts behave differntly. At 7:32 AM -0500 6/30/03, Dave Cox wrote: brewed a batch last weekend, and I used some Irish moss at the end of the boil, and that seems to have helped. isinglass) during the final clarifying stages. This seems to work very well for clarifying and polishing the wine. Would this be appropriate for a pale ale? -- -- Michael Valentiner, Minneapolis, Minnesota mpv(a)yuck.net This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately.