Hi Russ, I'm having trouble logging into the LSG server on the barn. Not sure what my usere names or passwords are. I think I have a generic "jimme" account that I can log into, but I'm unable to do "admin" from there. So.... what's my user name for the list admin? much later: I'm able to get into "jimme" as well as "jellings(a)me.umn.edu" but neither will allow me to do "admin" on "wine". Thanks for the computer advice.... No purchase yet. Cheers, Jim Best, Jim -- ------------------------------ * * Dr. James Ellingson, jellings(a)me.umn.edu * * University of Minnesota, tel: 651/645-0753 * * Great Lakes Brewing News, 1569 Laurel Ave., St. Paul, MN 55104 *