Mike- Thanks for your thoughts on the BJCP exam. Actually, there IS a large-scale revamping of the exam going on, so the BJCP must be listening to people like you! :-D should be part of this when judges have the guidelines... I think if you had said "memorizing stuff about OG, FG and IBUs" instead of "history" you would have made a more valid point. But you DON'T need to have the history of the style memorized to get a passing score of 60 on the BJCP exam. To advance further in the program you probably would. At the higher levels, the BJCP expects that a judge could CONVERSE about world beer styles WITHOUT having a book in front of them. The new exam will be implemented in phases... the FIRST phase, does just what you suggest - ... it replaces the "Boiling wort" question with a selection of T/F questions about Judging ethics and Best Practices in competitions. Also, the first phase attempts to cut down on the writing element by supplying three short lines for the "Purposes of the BJCP", and an empty grid to be filled out with the judging ranks. The reason for keeping this section was a belief that a person in the BJCP should know at least the purpose of the organization s/he is about to join, and a minimal understanding of how judges advance. the beers of Edinburgh, London and Burton. Proposed changes in PHASE TWO of the exam are to replace the "world beers" question with four judging sheets, asking the candidate to write a "perfect" scoresheet for four different beer styles. This attempts to implement what you suggest, testing further whether a candidate can write good score sheets. well enough with extract and grains and will stay with that. I feel that, even though you've chosen not to be an all-grain brewer, I feel understanding the PRINCIPLES of all-grain brewing, and understanding that some flavor characteristics DO HAPPEN when choosing your grist, accomplishing crushing, and selecting your mashing technique can and DO make you a better judge. I think that's the purpose of this question - not necessarily to convert you to all-grain. We can continue this at the meeting on Saturday if you like. I'll forward your comments on to the committee that is researching the new exam. - Al Original Message: ----------------- From: Mike Behrendt MGBehrendt(a)mn.rr.com Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:22:33 -0600 To: mba(a)thebarn.com Subject: [Fwd: Re: BJCP Points Recorded] Hi Folks! Just had some of Surly's beer at the opening of the Hometown MiniTour at Old Chicago. Get out there and support a new local brewery! The staff are also great people - Omar and Todd in particular! So, drinking Surly goes along with the kind of week I'm having with one particular project at work, and that's all I'll say about work in a beer related email. But, then I got a note about the points I earned as Head Steward for MCAB and I got my little lecture going about the value of the written exam for BJCP. I've only heard people agree with me in one-on-one conversations and thought, gee, what does the whole club think? Or, just the members who respond to email because work is slow or they love computers. Now then, take a minute and put your thoughts together and let the BJCP know........that's the only way it will get changed. Or, if you think I'm wrong, let me know and I'll just keep brewing, drinking and sit quietly in the corner (with a good beer, of course). Cheers! -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: BJCP Points Recorded Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:28:06 -0600 From: Mike Behrendt <MGBehrendt(a)mn.rr.com> To: BJCP Program Administrator <program_admin(a)bjcp.org> References: <20060329200036.29816.qmail(a)morebeer.com> thanks! Now someone needs to convince me that I should retake the written part of the exam.........I still believe it goes way beyond qualifying people to be competition judges...........I've passed that part. I just don't see why memorizing stuff about the history of each category, etc., etc., should be part of this when judges have the guidelines and any other material open at a competition if they need to know it. I've brewed for enough year and have enough medals. And some of the score sheets I get show that you should emphasize better tasting ability than essay writing. You're not focusing on the correct issues. Scores of high 30's with comments of 'no serious flaws' just doesn't cut it. So, I'll continue to brew and help out as a Head Steward, but I'll not try to memorize how to describe and differentiate between the beers of Edinburgh, London and Burton. I especially don't care about creating an all-grain recipe as I've done well enough with extract and grains and will stay with that. So, I'd suggest a revamping of the exam and perhaps your whole purpose in the judging of homebrewing. Are you certifying judges or giving out degrees in brewing? I'm open for any conversations on this. Just provide some good beer at the same time. Cheers! //Mike Behrendt MGBehrendt(a)mn.rr.com Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others. Groucho Marx BJCP Program Administrator wrote: non-judging point(s) in your name for "MCAB VIII". These points will appear in your judge record when the next update cycle is published to the web. -- //Mike Behrendt MGBehrendt(a)mn.rr.com Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others. 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