mba April 2003

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by sweiland＠usfamily.net

Cheers to all, Interesting topic...the club newsletter. Should we decide to be a club that is comfortable with an "electronic" newsletter, or keep on printing? How do we determine what is best for all concerned? Well..... How about a club vote?? Now... should the vote be an "electronic" one, or a paper ballot? Sorry...couldn't resist. :) Personally, I motion that we have an open club vote, here on the magic computer box...and the final decision of the newsletter issue based on the tally of the vote. Anybody want to second the motion?? :) Cheers, Steve ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------

22 years, 7 months

Re: Newsletter

by John Longballa

Sounds great! I don't think that anyone proposed cutting off members who would prefer to receive a hard copy, or eliminating hard copies of the Boiler. My thought was to send out copies to anyone who wanted/needed one, and save the costs on those members who opted to receive the newsletter electronically. The hard copies ARE great for inspiring new memberships, which is why I was placing them in all the homebrew shops. As long as most articles will make it in, I think you'll have good response. I had articles that I wrote that were not printed because of space limitations (?), and that can be frustrating, considering that everyone always complains that there's never any member writings to print! I was writing up descriptions of the meetings, but sometimes they would not be printed. Oh, well. John >From: allan.boyce(a)usbank.com >To: mba(a)thebarn.com >Subject: Re: Newsletter >Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:22:47 -0500 > > > >I read all the email on TheBarn, and I peruse the website pretty regularly, >but I still like getting my hard copy of The Boiler. I also know that we >have some members that are NOT internet connected, and for them, The Boiler >is really the only tangible evidence that we have a club at all! I spoke >with a couple of new members on the I Love Beer Tour this past weekend, and >they were internet connected, on TheBarn list, knew where the web page was, >and were STILL upset that they have not been informed of club events via a >newsletter since they joined last November. A newsletter is "proof" that >they were informed. > >The copies of The Boiler that I have received have been great. But I >propose that if there are no articles to publish, then we should just print >a one or two page Boiler ON SCHEDULE that has whatever article(s) that we >have, plus a listing of upcoming events. > >If some members voluntarily agree to get their Boiler online, whether via a >PDF file in their email or on the website, then that reduces cost for the >club. But I think everyone should make that choice for themselves. > >The old saying goes, "If you're not part of the solution, then you're part >of the problem." Today I volunteered to write two articles for the next >issue. (OK, so I'm an overachiever! ;-D) But if everyone who has posted >an opinion on The Boiler takes time to write ONE article a year, we'll have >no end of content with which to fill it. Consider it a challenge! > >Print it, and they will come.... > >my 2 cents... > >- Al > > > > "John Longballa" > <longballa@hotma To: mba(a)thebarn.com > il.com> cc: > Sent by: Subject: Re: Newsletter > mba-bounce@theba > rn.com > > > 04/29/2003 10:08 > AM > > > > > > > >Will: >Those are some great ideas. As the former secretary of the MN Homebrewers, > >I distributed the Boiler and thought about those same cost-saving measures; > >at a board meeting, I made the very same suggestions that you just made, >but >for reasons that I do not remember, the decision was made to continue with >the traditional distribution method. Perhaps the current board could >revisit these ideas. The Boiler was costing approximately $125 per issue >for printing and mailing costs, just as a point of reference. I would >print >about 150 copies, send 50 to members, send 40 to breweries, brewpubs, >beverage distributors, and homebrew shops that supported MNHBA, and place >the remainder in the Twin Cities' homebrew shops for MNHBA promotion. >John > >Will wrote: > >2 cost savings ideas: > > > >1. Put the Newsletter on the web site (not sure if it > >is there now) > >2. Ditribute the newsletter via email instead of snail > >mail > >3. Give members the option of not receiving the > >newsletter via snail mail if they would rather get via > >option 1 or 2 above. > > > >I believe this would not only save postage $$ but also > >printing expense. > > > >As to content, I believe that someone has to take the > >lead and that you cannot rely on member contributions. > > > >It may be helpful to try coming up with an ideal > >layout and then say: we need an article on wheat beer, > >we need a an article on bottling methods, and an > >article on new gadgetry or something like that. This > >would make it easier for those who wish to provide > >content. If someone is gung ho to write something on a > >different topic, they would just need to clear it with > >the editor. > > > >From the perspective of a writer, the hardest thing to > >some up with sometimes is a topic. So an open ended > >request such as: we need content can make it more > >difficult. > > > >My $0.02 worth > > > >Cheers > >WH > >--- Dave Cox <north-shore-brewer(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > > > Greetings! > > > > > > I am sure that some of you have wondered when the > > > next issue of our > > > newsletter, The Boiler, will be published. I have > > > heard a certain amount of > > > discussion about this subject, including whether we > > > should even publish a > > > newsletter. > > > > > > Some people have made the argument that in view of > > > our limited budget, and > > > the fact that a newsletter is expensive to produce > > > and mail, this is > > > something that could be eliminated. It has also > > > been suggested that the > > > fact that people are not submitting articles > > > reflects a lack of interest in > > > the publication. Maybe these things are true. > > > > > > I agree that the e-mail list is effective for those > > > members who have access. > > > But it does not serve all of our members, and it is > > > not as effective as a > > > means of attracting new members. > > > > > > I would like to see The Boiler continue. I believe > > > that it is important not > > > only for current members, but as a means of letting > > > potential new members > > > know what this group is about. It lends credibility > > > to the organization and > > > lets others know what we have been doing. > > > > > > But here is the catch. If we are to continue to > > > produce the newsletter, we > > > need input from YOU. Rick and I could fill up the > > > space with our own > > > musings and clever observations, but that wouldn't > > > do much to increase the > > > circulation. The thing that makes a newsletter > > > interesting is variety. Just > > > as the variety of interests and experience of the > > > members make MHBA > > > interesting, the newsletter needs input from a > > > variety of sources. > > > > > > Submissions can range from technical topics to > > > equipment to beer styles to > > > events to anything you think other members would > > > find informative and > > > interesting. > > > > > > Your newsletter editor Gloria does a great job, and > > > she is waiting for your > > > articles. If you want to see the project continue, > > > send her your > > > submissions now. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > >http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

22 years, 7 months

Maibock Festival May 3

by townhallbrewer＠hotmail.com

Hi, This Saturday marks the date of our 6th annual Maibock Festival. What does this mean to the average beer drinker???...... Erik has put together special fare that will be served starting at 5:00, and it will be served for just $7.95 per plate! At 6:00pm we will release the Maibock and serve it free until 7:00.... At 6:15 Father Ted and crew, from St. Pauls on the Hill, will bless the Maibock. At 8:00 we will have the drawing for the pint club membership At 8:30 live music starts...Enjoy the Polka Grooves of Dr. Kielbasa Just a reminder...You can still buy your pint club raffle ticket until the time of the drawing. This is your chance to get one of the coveted lifetime pint club memberships for just $5 per chance or 3 For $12. Normally we sell a limited amount of these once a year, and the price is now $110 (if you can get one). This is your chance! Gotta go make beer now....You seem very thirsty these days. Keep up the good work Mike

22 years, 7 months

This is IT!! UPPER MISSISSIPPI MASH-OUT this Thu-Sat, May 1-2!

by allan.boyce＠usbank.com

THIS WEEKEND, Thursday May 1 - Saturday, May 3 is the 2003 Upper Mississippi Mash-Out, the premiere beer contest of the Twin Cities metro area! Please join us for any or all of these open-to-the-public events! We still have seats for a few more beer judges. The Thursday sessions will be held at my house, with sessions starting at 6pm and 8pm. Please call if you can help! Al Boyce 3208 Edgewood Ave So St. Louis Park, MN 55426 952-927-8968 Friday sessions begin at 5pm and 7pm, and Saturda sessions begin at 9am and Noon. Both the Friday and Saturday sessions will be held at : The Radisson Metrodome. 615 Washington Ave SE Minneapolis, MN 55414 612-379-8888 Try to arrive a few minutes early for your judging sessions so you can get acquainted with the facility and relax a bit before starting. You are invited to participate in the 2003 Upper Mississippi Mash-Out contest events! Please consider joining us for any or all of them! May 1, 2003 Judging - TBD Contact Chris Hadden for more information chris(a)chadden.com May 2, 2003 Judging - Radisson Metrodome, 5pm-9pm Contact Chris Hadden for more information: chris(a)chadden.com May 2, 2003 Pub Crawl, 9pm-1pm $30 - includes transportation, commemorative glass, and beers at 4 Twin Cities pubs. Leaves from Radisson Metrodome Contact Kris England for more information: engla008(a)umn.edu May 3, 2003 Judging - Radisson Metrodome, 9am-6pm Contact Chris Hadden for more information: chris(a)chadden.com May 3, 2003 Blessing of the Bock - Town Hall Brewery, 6pm Free Maibock from 6:15pm-7pm May 3, 2003 Awards Ceremony: Summit Brewing 8pm Featured Speaker Brewer Damian McConn from Summit Brewing May 3, 2003 POST-PARTY! MIKE SWALINKAVICH'S BIRTHDAY BASH! 40 gallons of home-brew on tap! Call Mike at: 651-714-2291 If you have questions, you may reply to this email address, or call me: Al Boyce, 952-927-8968 Al Boyce Competition Organizer

22 years, 7 months

Re: And a one and a two and a......

by Rick Oftel

Mike, Excellent idea about a directory of preferred suppliers and beverages. Would you be willing to start putting together one or two of these? Possibly someone else would be willing to assist with a few others. From the looks of the wonderful responses, we may soon have more than adequate information to produce our next news letter. Thanks again for the idea and your participation. Sincerely, Rick Oftel MHBA >>> Mike Behrendt <MBehrendt(a)mn.rr.com> 04/29/03 09:49AM >>> A couple of ideas: A directory of local supply shops, brew pubs, and breweries (i.e. Summit) would be helpful. Calendars of events for beer releases. Information on tours, brewer names, participation in the AHA discount program. A list of liquor stores and restaurants with good varieties of beer - domestic and imported.

22 years, 7 months

Re: Newsletter

by Steve Piatz

I would be very unfortunate to conduct a vote about the newsletter via electronic means since that would eliminate those who don't want or can't receive the email messages. We do have members who don't use a computer at all. I have one friend who depends on the newsletter since he unsubscribed to the email list because it was generating way too much non-brewing traffic for his taste. As for the actual newsletter, if we generate it quarterly it means events need to be planned as much as four months or more in advance so the information gets out to ALL the members. sweiland(a)usfamily.net writes: > > > Cheers to all, > > Interesting topic...the club newsletter. Should we decide to be a club that is comfortable with an "electronic" newsletter, or keep on printing? How do we determine what is best for all concerned? Well..... How about a club vote?? > > Now... should the vote be an "electronic" one, or a paper ballot? Sorry...couldn't resist. :) > > Personally, I motion that we have an open club vote, here on the magic computer box...and the final decision of the newsletter issue based on the tally of the vote. > > Anybody want to second the motion?? :) > > > Cheers, > > Steve > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > > -- Steve Piatz piatz(a)cray.com Cray Inc. 651-605-9049 1340 Mendota Heights Road Mendota Heights, MN 55120

22 years, 7 months

THANKS!!!!

by Rick Oftel

Wow, Thanks for the responses. Looks like we have a good quantity of articles planned. The sooner they arrive, the quicker we can publish. Thanks again Rick O

22 years, 7 months

Re: Newsletter

by allan.boyce＠usbank.com

I read all the email on TheBarn, and I peruse the website pretty regularly, but I still like getting my hard copy of The Boiler. I also know that we have some members that are NOT internet connected, and for them, The Boiler is really the only tangible evidence that we have a club at all! I spoke with a couple of new members on the I Love Beer Tour this past weekend, and they were internet connected, on TheBarn list, knew where the web page was, and were STILL upset that they have not been informed of club events via a newsletter since they joined last November. A newsletter is "proof" that they were informed. The copies of The Boiler that I have received have been great. But I propose that if there are no articles to publish, then we should just print a one or two page Boiler ON SCHEDULE that has whatever article(s) that we have, plus a listing of upcoming events. If some members voluntarily agree to get their Boiler online, whether via a PDF file in their email or on the website, then that reduces cost for the club. But I think everyone should make that choice for themselves. The old saying goes, "If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem." Today I volunteered to write two articles for the next issue. (OK, so I'm an overachiever! ;-D) But if everyone who has posted an opinion on The Boiler takes time to write ONE article a year, we'll have no end of content with which to fill it. Consider it a challenge! Print it, and they will come.... my 2 cents... - Al "John Longballa" <longballa@hotma To: mba(a)thebarn.com il.com> cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: Newsletter mba-bounce@theba rn.com 04/29/2003 10:08 AM Will: Those are some great ideas. As the former secretary of the MN Homebrewers, I distributed the Boiler and thought about those same cost-saving measures; at a board meeting, I made the very same suggestions that you just made, but for reasons that I do not remember, the decision was made to continue with the traditional distribution method. Perhaps the current board could revisit these ideas. The Boiler was costing approximately $125 per issue for printing and mailing costs, just as a point of reference. I would print about 150 copies, send 50 to members, send 40 to breweries, brewpubs, beverage distributors, and homebrew shops that supported MNHBA, and place the remainder in the Twin Cities' homebrew shops for MNHBA promotion. John Will wrote: >2 cost savings ideas: > >1. Put the Newsletter on the web site (not sure if it >is there now) >2. Ditribute the newsletter via email instead of snail >mail >3. Give members the option of not receiving the >newsletter via snail mail if they would rather get via >option 1 or 2 above. > >I believe this would not only save postage $$ but also >printing expense. > >As to content, I believe that someone has to take the >lead and that you cannot rely on member contributions. > >It may be helpful to try coming up with an ideal >layout and then say: we need an article on wheat beer, >we need a an article on bottling methods, and an >article on new gadgetry or something like that. This >would make it easier for those who wish to provide >content. If someone is gung ho to write something on a >different topic, they would just need to clear it with >the editor. > >From the perspective of a writer, the hardest thing to >some up with sometimes is a topic. So an open ended >request such as: we need content can make it more >difficult. > >My $0.02 worth > >Cheers >WH >--- Dave Cox <north-shore-brewer(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > Greetings! > > > > I am sure that some of you have wondered when the > > next issue of our > > newsletter, The Boiler, will be published. I have > > heard a certain amount of > > discussion about this subject, including whether we > > should even publish a > > newsletter. > > > > Some people have made the argument that in view of > > our limited budget, and > > the fact that a newsletter is expensive to produce > > and mail, this is > > something that could be eliminated. It has also > > been suggested that the > > fact that people are not submitting articles > > reflects a lack of interest in > > the publication. Maybe these things are true. > > > > I agree that the e-mail list is effective for those > > members who have access. > > But it does not serve all of our members, and it is > > not as effective as a > > means of attracting new members. > > > > I would like to see The Boiler continue. I believe > > that it is important not > > only for current members, but as a means of letting > > potential new members > > know what this group is about. It lends credibility > > to the organization and > > lets others know what we have been doing. > > > > But here is the catch. If we are to continue to > > produce the newsletter, we > > need input from YOU. Rick and I could fill up the > > space with our own > > musings and clever observations, but that wouldn't > > do much to increase the > > circulation. The thing that makes a newsletter > > interesting is variety. Just > > as the variety of interests and experience of the > > members make MHBA > > interesting, the newsletter needs input from a > > variety of sources. > > > > Submissions can range from technical topics to > > equipment to beer styles to > > events to anything you think other members would > > find informative and > > interesting. > > > > Your newsletter editor Gloria does a great job, and > > she is waiting for your > > articles. If you want to see the project continue, > > send her your > > submissions now. > > > > Dave > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >http://search.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

22 years, 7 months

Re: Newsletter

by John Longballa

>I do not have a problem distributing the Boiler, but >someone needs to drop them off first. I am not sure if >we have the current copy. Will: There has not been an issue since the last time (December?) that I placed a stack of Boilers in Windriver. I have since been relieved of my secretarial duties, so someone else might be dropping the next issue off if he sees fit to carry on that task. Thank you for allowing MNHBA the space in your store! It is much appreciated. John _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

22 years, 7 months

Fw: Re: Re: Newsletter

by Dave Cox

-We are getting some lively discussion and some good ideas. Maybe by adopting the creative approach and using limited, targeted distribution we can accomplish the goal of having a newsletter and still reduce our costs. Regarding content, we will always need input from the members, but maybe we could form an editorial committee so the burden is not all on one person. In that way, if our goal is to do an issue each quarter, we can determine in advance the general structure for each issue. Then we could then ask for specific submissions to fit the theme or structure of each issue. This might make the process easier. We could do the general planning a few issues in advance, and then just plug in the articles as they come in, and tie up any loose ends. It wouldn't hurt to have some deadlines to keep things on track. It seems to me that we have a lot of bright creative people in the group, and based on the input already received, I think we should be able to find a way to get this done, and then we can get back to enjoying some homebrew... Dave ------Original Message------- From: John Longballa <longballa(a)hotmail.com> Sent: 04/29/03 10:33 AM To: mba(a)thebarn.com Subject: Re: Newsletter > > Sounds great! I don't think that anyone proposed cutting off members who would prefer to receive a hard copy, or eliminating hard copies of the Boiler. My thought was to send out copies to anyone who wanted/needed one, and save the costs on those members who opted to receive the newsletter electronically. The hard copies ARE great for inspiring new memberships, which is why I was placing them in all the homebrew shops. As long as most articles will make it in, I think you'll have good response. I had articles that I wrote that were not printed because of space limitations (?), and that can be frustrating, considering that everyone always complains that there's never any member writings to print! I was writing up descriptions of the meetings, but sometimes they would not be printed. Oh, well. John >From: allan.boyce(a)usbank.com >To: mba(a)thebarn.com >Subject: Re: Newsletter >Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:22:47 -0500 > > > >I read all the email on TheBarn, and I peruse the website pretty regularly, >but I still like getting my hard copy of The Boiler. I also know that we >have some members that are NOT internet connected, and for them, The Boiler >is really the only tangible evidence that we have a club at all! I spoke >with a couple of new members on the I Love Beer Tour this past weekend, and >they were internet connected, on TheBarn list, knew where the web page was, >and were STILL upset that they have not been informed of club events via a >newsletter since they joined last November. A newsletter is "proof" that >they were informed. > >The copies of The Boiler that I have received have been great. But I >propose that if there are no articles to publish, then we should just print >a one or two page Boiler ON SCHEDULE that has whatever article(s) that we >have, plus a listing of upcoming events. > >If some members voluntarily agree to get their Boiler online, whether via a >PDF file in their email or on the website, then that reduces cost for the >club. But I think everyone should make that choice for themselves. > >The old saying goes, "If you're not part of the solution, then you're part >of the problem." Today I volunteered to write two articles for the next >issue. (OK, so I'm an overachiever! ;-D) But if everyone who has posted >an opinion on The Boiler takes time to write ONE article a year, we'll have >no end of content with which to fill it. Consider it a challenge! > >Print it, and they will come.... > >my 2 cents... > >- Al > > > > "John Longballa" > <longballa@hotma To: mba(a)thebarn.com > il.com> cc: > Sent by: Subject: Re: Newsletter > mba-bounce@theba > rn.com > > > 04/29/2003 10:08 > AM > > > > > > > >Will: >Those are some great ideas. As the former secretary of the MN Homebrewers, > >I distributed the Boiler and thought about those same cost-saving measures; > >at a board meeting, I made the very same suggestions that you just made, >but >for reasons that I do not remember, the decision was made to continue with >the traditional distribution method. Perhaps the current board could >revisit these ideas. The Boiler was costing approximately $125 per issue >for printing and mailing costs, just as a point of reference. I would >print >about 150 copies, send 50 to members, send 40 to breweries, brewpubs, >beverage distributors, and homebrew shops that supported MNHBA, and place >the remainder in the Twin Cities' homebrew shops for MNHBA promotion. >John > >Will wrote: > >2 cost savings ideas: > > > >1. Put the Newsletter on the web site (not sure if it > >is there now) > >2. Ditribute the newsletter via email instead of snail > >mail > >3. Give members the option of not receiving the > >newsletter via snail mail if they would rather get via > >option 1 or 2 above. > > > >I believe this would not only save postage $$ but also > >printing expense. > > > >As to content, I believe that someone has to take the > >lead and that you cannot rely on member contributions. > > > >It may be helpful to try coming up with an ideal > >layout and then say: we need an article on wheat beer, > >we need a an article on bottling methods, and an > >article on new gadgetry or something like that. This > >would make it easier for those who wish to provide > >content. If someone is gung ho to write something on a > >different topic, they would just need to clear it with > >the editor. > > > >From the perspective of a writer, the hardest thing to > >some up with sometimes is a topic. So an open ended > >request such as: we need content can make it more > >difficult. > > > >My $0.02 worth > > > >Cheers > >WH > >--- Dave Cox <north-shore-brewer(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > > > Greetings! > > > > > > I am sure that some of you have wondered when the > > > next issue of our > > > newsletter, The Boiler, will be published. I have > > > heard a certain amount of > > > discussion about this subject, including whether we > > > should even publish a > > > newsletter. > > > > > > Some people have made the argument that in view of > > > our limited budget, and > > > the fact that a newsletter is expensive to produce > > > and mail, this is > > > something that could be eliminated. It has also > > > been suggested that the > > > fact that people are not submitting articles > > > reflects a lack of interest in > > > the publication. Maybe these things are true. > > > > > > I agree that the e-mail list is effective for those > > > members who have access. > > > But it does not serve all of our members, and it is > > > not as effective as a > > > means of attracting new members. > > > > > > I would like to see The Boiler continue. I believe > > > that it is important not > > > only for current members, but as a means of letting > > > potential new members > > > know what this group is about. It lends credibility > > > to the organization and > > > lets others know what we have been doing. > > > > > > But here is the catch. If we are to continue to > > > produce the newsletter, we > > > need input from YOU. Rick and I could fill up the > > > space with our own > > > musings and clever observations, but that wouldn't > > > do much to increase the > > > circulation. The thing that makes a newsletter > > > interesting is variety. Just > > > as the variety of interests and experience of the > > > members make MHBA > > > interesting, the newsletter needs input from a > > > variety of sources. > > > > > > Submissions can range from technical topics to > > > equipment to beer styles to > > > events to anything you think other members would > > > find informative and > > > interesting. > > > > > > Your newsletter editor Gloria does a great job, and > > > she is waiting for your > > > articles. If you want to see the project continue, > > > send her your > > > submissions now. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > >http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* <a target=_blank href="http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail">http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail</a> >

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