From: "Michael L. Smith" <mls(a)NORTHWESTERN.EDU>
Organization: Govt Pubs & Maps, Northwestern Univ Library
Subject: Beer on NPR
To: CBS-HB(a)LISTSERV.UIC.EDU
A recent piece appeared on Talk of the Nation, with Brooklyn Brewery
owner Garrett Oliver:
http://search.npr.org/cf/cmn/segment_display.cfm?segID=144383
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Rick writes:
> My wife has also questioned my expenses and every time this happens,
> I bring out the fishing literature, boat and motor books brochures,
> and the truck catalog. Somehow, the cost concern quickly fades.
I'll have to remember this. You can't believe how much 66 Shelby
Mustangs cost now days.
rick
66 Mustang coupe
Just remember, it all depends on how you account for your hobby. My hobby started as I kicked another habit: cigarettes. The first year of my "smoking allocation" went into stainless steel, burners, and general industrial junk most people would ignore. After absorbing those costs, my only current expenses are raw materials, cleaning chemicals, and energy. Water is a non-cost since our daughter is in college and the water bill actually dropped.
For a 15 gallon batch, I typically use 20-25 lbs of base malt ($10-$25), hops ($3), yeast ($4.25), energy ($2.50) which averages out to about $25 per batch. Now if I didn't enjoy my hobby, I would charge for my time but this would be kind of like trying to justify your time spent fishing. It is a value added activity that I enjoy - not a task that I dislike.
My wife has also questioned my expenses and every time this happens, I bring out the fishing literature, boat and motor books brochures, and the truck catalog. Somehow, the cost concern quickly fades.
Take care - will stop by Midwest this Saturday but we have a tight schedule with visiting relatives from Danmark.
>>> Mark Glewwe <mark(a)glewwe-castle.com> 06/05/02 06:28PM >>>
Have a heart, Steve. My wife has questioned the expense, but I think she
still believes it is an economical hobby. I'll let you all know when I get
below $10/bottle average expense. 8-)
Mark
At 09:04 AM 6/5/02 -0500, Steve Piatz wrote:
> From an economics point of view Rick's suggestion of using the store's
>mill is the wy to go but this is a hobby and based on economics I
>wouldn't have all the other equipmemt in the brewery - I would just buy
>beer :-)
Engineer, Gentleman, & Brewer,
Mark D. Glewwe
http://www.glewwe-castle.com/mark/
Mark you have to be kidding. I cant get the cost of a "bottle" under $40.00, mind you my bottles hold 15.5 gallons.
In a different vein please comment on the use of 151 proof rum as a sterilizing agent.
Greg
The dust during the milling is a big issue with mills, since I have
the Magmill that is driven by the drill I can generate the dust
quickly. I have went to doing the milling outside on the patio slab to
avoid the contamination in the brewery and because the dust is almost
as bad as drywall sanding dust to clean up after the fact.
Even my old Corona mill generated some dust but the bigger issue there
was capturing all the output that it sort of throws around. Anyone
need a Corona?
>From an economics point of view Rick's suggestion of using the store's
mill is the wy to go but this is a hobby and based on economics I
wouldn't have all the other equipmemt in the brewery - I would just buy
beer :-)
Rick Oftel writes:
>
>
> Al, In retrospect, I would seriously consider crushing the malt at the =
> store and using it the next day at home. I have a decent two row mill but =
> the dust created from the measuring is a challenge to keep (get) outside =
> and has the strong possibility of delivering critters into the ferment. =
> Just some food for thought. Of course, roller mills are great things to =
> watch as they crunch out the grist. =20
>
> Rick
>
> > >>> <allan.boyce(a)usbank.com> 06/03/02 12:46PM >>>
> > I am looking to buy a "Mag-Mill". Does anyone know if Jim Magnuson is
> > still making/selling them? Does anyone else have one they want to sell?
> >
> > If the answer to all of the above is NO, what mills are the rest of you
> > using - what do you recommend?
> >
> > - Al
> >
--
Steve Piatz piatz(a)cray.com
Cray Inc. 651-605-9049
1340 Mendota Heights Road
Mendota Heights, MN 55120
This year, Chicago Beer Society is chartering two buses to
the Great Taste of the Midwest on Saturday August 10th, 2002
from 1-6pm in Madison, WI!
This year, the City Bus will leave from Goose Island - Clybourn at 9am
and the Country Bus will leave from Prairie Rock - Elgin at 10am.
Each bus will drive non-stop from/to its respective location.
Why take the CBS bus? Because you're a responsible drinker
and you don't want to walk back drunk from Wisconsin.
Did we mention beer? The bus will be outfitted with a keg, video,
and, of course, a private receptacle for disposal of used beer.
Bring some snacks to pass around.
Pricing INCLUDES entry fee to GTotM. If you already have a ticket,
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Al, In retrospect, I would seriously consider crushing the malt at the store and using it the next day at home. I have a decent two row mill but the dust created from the measuring is a challenge to keep (get) outside and has the strong possibility of delivering critters into the ferment. Just some food for thought. Of course, roller mills are great things to watch as they crunch out the grist.
Rick
>>> <allan.boyce(a)usbank.com> 06/03/02 12:46PM >>>
I am looking to buy a "Mag-Mill". Does anyone know if Jim Magnuson is
still making/selling them? Does anyone else have one they want to sell?
If the answer to all of the above is NO, what mills are the rest of you
using - what do you recommend?
- Al
To all who knew Les,
>I was contacted today by Cindy Jones. She wanted the Home Brew Club
>to know that Les passed away. All are welcome to his
>funeral. Below is his obituary from the June 2 Star Tribune
>
>Ron Wolfgram
>
>
>
>Jones Leslie M., age 41, of Columbia Heights. Survived by wife,
>Cindy; daughter, Angelena; son, Leslie II; mother, Edith; brothers,
>Edward (Carol), Wayne. Employed by Augsburg College. Member of
>Minnesota Home Brewers Assoc. Mass of Christian Burial Wednesday, 10
>am, Immaculate Conception Catholic Church, 4030 Jackson St. NE, Col.
>Hts. Visitation one hour prior to Mass at church. Washburn-McReavy
>Northeast Chapel 612-781-6828
Please express your sympathies to the Jones family.
Mike Moranz, President
Minnesota Home Brewers Association
I am looking to buy a "Mag-Mill". Does anyone know if Jim Magnuson is
still making/selling them? Does anyone else have one they want to sell?
If the answer to all of the above is NO, what mills are the rest of you
using - what do you recommend?
- Al
Allan,
> I am looking to buy a "Mag-Mill". Does anyone know if Jim Magnuson is
> still making/selling them? Does anyone else have one they want to sell?
Valentiner has a nice one he isn't using.
> If the answer to all of the above is NO, what mills are the rest of you
> using - what do you recommend?
There are no other mills I'd recommend ;-).
BTW, I found a electric motor and a very small (1"?) pulley you can have
it you want to motorize one. You will need a 12" or so to gear it
down. I'll even throw in a belt or two.
rick
